Costos de aeronaves y misiles

[KF86]

Preguntonta, por que el C-130J es mas caro que el KC-130j????
no deberia ser al revez???
Saludos

El KC-130J es la chancha, el C-130J es de transporte, dados los riesgos que trae incursionar en territorio bajo muchas ECM poseen equipamiento para muchos tipos de misiones y para impedir el impacto del fuego enemigo.

 

[SnAkE_OnE]

claro...son versiones especializadas , no como aca con que son victorinox

 

[Tabano1973]

yo creia que la unica diferencia era el sistema de traspaso de combustible y el Tanque.
Gracias

 

[nestor666]

Un CObra cuesta lo mismo que un APache?, lo que son las cosas che, que lo pario.Saludos.

 

[SnAkE_OnE]

el Apache ese sale eso para el US Army..la exportacion completa sale bastante bastante mas cara...ni hablar si es el Longbow

 

[KF86]

Longbow de exportacion sin la cadena logistica cuesta u$s 63 millones, con la cadena logistica aumenta hasta u$s 130 dependiendo del tipo de Longbow a adquirir.

Si hablamos de Cobra creo que los costos para exportacion ya que todos son usados no sube de los u$s 27/30 millones, el modelo esta totalmente amortizado y no creo que haya mucha variacion entre los de exportacion y para "consumo" interno, ya que la US Army no usa mas el Cobra.

 

[mandeb48]

hola

Esta es extraída de una Pág. muy interesante que aparece en ACIG.org esta actualizado al 2004 y hay que tener en cuenta que los contratos incluyen una gran variación dependiendo de los quipos, repuestos, cantidades, soporte técnico, financiación etc.
disculpen la falta de traducción pero es un poco largo
Se agradecen las correcciones y actualizaciones

America
-F-15K: 105mn(based on what South Korea paid for+goodies)
-F-15I: 83.81mn(based on what Israel paid for+offsets)
-F-15S: 125mn(based on what Saudi Arabia paid for)

-F-16blk50: 50.17mn>75mn(based on what Poland paid for+goodies+offsets) + 38.4mn(based on what Israel paid for) + 26mn(based on what Singapore paid for) + 63.6mn approx(based on what Chile paid for+goodies) + 44mn(based on what Israel paid for) + 42mn(based on what Greece paid for) + 26.9mn(based on what final order for USAF) + 93.33mn(based on what Oman was about to pay for+goodies before the deal was cancelled) + 75.75mn(based on what it was offered to Brazil+goodies+offsets) + 35mn(based on what South Korea paid for) + 31.9mn(based on what Egypt paid for)

-F-16blk60: 80mn(based on what UAE paid for+goodies+development)

-F-18E/F Super Hornet: 76mn>69mn(based on what USN paid for[2004 SH budget]) + 82.39mn(based on what it was offered to Malaysia for)

-F-22: 152.5mn>155mn(based on what USAF paid for) + 150mn(based on what USAF paid for 2nd time)

-RQ-1 Predator: 9.2mn(based on what Italy paid for)

-MQ-9 Predator B: 8.925mn<7.85mn(based on what USAF paid for the 1st time) + 10mn(based on what USAF paid for 2nd time)

-MQ-9A Predator B: 15mn(based on what USAF paid for)
-RQ-4 Global Hawk: 70mn(based on what USAF paid for)

-Avenger SAM: 1.8mn(based on what Taiwan paid for)
-E-2C: 190mn(based on what Taiwan paid for)
-E-2C 2000: 250mn(E-2C costs 190mn, the 2000 upgrade costs 60mn[based on what USN and Egypt paid for])

-737-700 Wedgetail: 285.8>196.6mn(based on what Australia paid for) + 375mn(based on what Turkey paid for)
-767 AWACS: 403.25mn(based on what Japan paid for first time)
-KC-135R: 63mn>70mn(based on what Singapore paid for+goodies) + 56mn(based on what Turkey paid for+goodies)

-T-6 Texan II: 5mn(based on what USA paid for)

-C-27J: 22.73mn(based on what Greece paid for)

-C-130J: 68.67mn>52mn(based on what USAF paid for) + 104mn(based on what UK paid for) + 50mn(based on what was offered to Kuwait)

-C-17: 180mn(based on what USAF paid for)
-Kaman K-Max: 6mn(based on what Peru paid for)

-UH-60L: 15.78mn(based on what Colombia paid for)

-Bell 206: 1.17mn>1.4mn(based on what Mexico paid for) + 935000(based on what Turkey paid for)

-Bell 412EP: 9.33mn>8.85mn(based on what Pakistan paid for) + 10.4mn(based on what Turkey paid for) + 8.75mn(based on what Turkey paid for second time)

-Bell-412SP/AB-412SP: 4.62mn>4.74mn(based on what Sweden paid for) + 4.5mn(based on what Sri Lanka paid for)

-CH-47D Chinook: 43.36mn>59.5mn(based on what UK paid for) + 37.25mn(based on what Egypt paid for) + 33.33mn(based on what Taiwan paid for)

-V-22 Osprey: 81mn(based on the estimated total cost of acquisition of all V-22s)

-AH-1Z: 44.44mn(based on what it was offered to South Korea+goodies)

-AH-64D Apache: 62.81mn>77.5mn(based on what Singapore paid for+goodies) + 56.25mn(based on what Greece paid for+goodies) + 50mn(based on what Kuwait paid for+goodies) + 63.63(based on what Israel paid for+goodies) + 66.67mn(based on what it was offered to South Korea+goodies)

-S-70A: 9.9mn>12.8mn(based on what Brunei paid for+goodies) + 7mn(based on what Turkey paid for)

-S-92: 114mn(based on what Canada paid for+goodies)

-S-80E: 43.75mn(based on what Turkey paid for)

-UH-60L: 16.43mn>11.22mn(based on what Turkey paid for+goodies+offsets) + 7.4mn(based on what US Army paid for) + 20.33mn(based on what Austria paid for+goodies+offsets) + 8.26mn(based on what Israel paid for) + 23.5mn(based on what Egypt paid for+goodies) + 17.5mn(based on what Thailand paid for+goodies) + 14.08mn(based on what was offered to Colombia+goodies) + 16.75mn(based on what Jordan paid for+goodies) + 28.82mn(based on what Kuwait paid for+goodies)

-UH-60JA: 33.38mn(based on what Japan paid for)

Russia

-Su-27SK: 32.7>30mn(based on what Vietnam paid for) + 35.4mn(based on what China paid for+goodies)

-Su-27IB: 36mn(based on what it was offered to various countries like India)

-Su-30MK: 30mn(based on what India paid for)

-Su-30MKK1/2/3: 38.75mn>37.5mn(based on what China paid for+goodies) + 40mn(based on what China paid for later+goodies)

-Su-30MKM: 50mn(based on what Malaysia paid for+goodies+development)

-Su-30MKI: 45mn(based on what India paid for+development)

-Su-35 Super Flanker: 35mn(offered to Brazil+goodies)

-Su-39 Frogfoot: 10mn(6mn was quoted by the Tbilisi factory for the Su-25 Scorpion, yet this one was quoted at around 8.3mn by the Ulan-Ude factory, at most it can be 10mn)

-Su-29M: 240000(based on what various countries/organizations/people paid for)

-Su-31M: 300000(based on what various countries/organizations/people paid for)

-Mig-29SMT: 30.35>30mn(based on what Algeria paid for+goodies) + 30.7mn(based on what Yemen paid for)
-Mig-29K: 43.75mn(based on what India paid for+goodies)
-Mig-29N: 33mn(based on what Malaysia paid for+goodies+offsets)

-Mig-110: 6-7mn(quoted by MiG officials)
-Mig-AT: 12mn(quoted by MiG officials)
-Yak-130: 10-12mn(quoted by Russian and Yakovlev officials)

-Tor-M1: 29.1mn(based on what Greece paid for+goodies)
-BUK-M1: 11.5mn/battery(based on what Finland paid for)
-BUK-M1-2/M2: probably around 13-15mn

-Igla: 60000(based on what various countries paid for)
-Igla-M: 104000>80000(based on what Malaysia paid for) + 128000(based on what Vietnam paid for)
-Igla-S: 80000+(will probably cost a little more than Igla-M)

-Pantsir S1: 14.6mn(based on what UAE paid for+goodies)

-Tamguska: 9.2mn(based on what India paid for)

-Kolchuga: 25mn+-(rumors said that Iraq paid that much for each system[realistically they did not get any])

-Il-76MF/-100: 30mn(quoted by Uzbek and Russian officials)
-Il-78M: 25mn(based on what India and China paid for)

-S-80: 6-6.5mn(quoted by Irkut/KnAAPO and Sukhoi officials)

-Mi-17: 4.29mn>4.25mn(based on what India paid for) + 3.9mn(based on what Pakistan paid for) + 4.28mn(based on what Algeria paid for) + 5mn(based on what Malaysia paid for) + 3.42mn(based on what Turkey paid for) + 4.9mn(based on what Colombia paid for) + 1.25mn(based on what Mexico paid for)

-Mi-17Sh: 7.5mn(based on what Iran paid for)
-Mi-26T: 10-12mn(quoted by Russian officials, although probably more)
-Mi-28N: 12-15mn(quoted by Mil officials, though it should be the same as the Ka-52)

-Ka-28: 8mn(based on what India paid for)
-Ka-31: 23mn(based on what India paid for)
-Ka-52: 12.5mn(based on what Yemen paid for)

-An-32V-200: 8.25(based on what it was offered to Poland)
-An-38-200: 2.6-3mn for Russian version & 4mn for Western version(quoted by Antonov officials)
-An-70: 35-50mn(quoted by Antonov officials)
-AN-74T-200: 11.08mn(based on what Iran paid for)
-An-124-100: 43mn(based on what Libya paid for, though realistically it would be much more)
-An-140: 9mn(based on what Libya paid for)
-Be-103: 1mn(based on what China paid for)
-Be-200: 20-22mn(quoted by Beriev officials)

China
-K-8 Karakorum/JL-8: 4.25mn(based on what Egypt paid for)
-FTC-2000/JL-9: 2.4mn(quoted flyaway cost by Chinese officials, though very unlikely)

-Y-8F-600/Y-8X: 20mn(quoted by Chinese officials)
-Y-12: 2mn for Chinese version(based on what various countries paid for), 3mn for Western version(based on what Canada paid for)

-FC-1: 15mn(quoted by Pakistani & Chinese officials)

Europe
-AS 550 Fennec: 3.64mn>4mn(based on what Malaysia paid for) + 5mn(based on what Brazil paid for) + 1.93mn(based on what UAE paid for)
-AS 350B3 Ecureuil: 1.225mn(based on what various customers paid for)
-AS 532UL/U2/UC/AS 332L2 Cougar: 18.72mn>12.65mn(based on what Turkey paid for) + 14.24(based on what Netherlands paid for) + 13.37mn(based on what Spain paid for) + 43.33mn(based on what Saudi Arabia paid for) + 17.33(based on what Switzerland paid for) + 11.38mn(based on what Brazil paid for)
-AS-365F/565SA Panther: 32.86mn(based on what UAE paid for+goodies)
-Super Lynx: 26.8>31.6mn(based on what South Africa paid for+goodies) + 22mn(based on what Germany paid for)

-A109M: 6.85mn(based on what Malaysia paid for)
-EC 130B4: 1.6mn(based on what various customers paid for)
-EC-120B Colibri: 1mn(based on what Spain paid for)

-NH-90 NFH: 30mn(based on what various countries paid for)
-NH-90 TTH: 40.19mn(based on what Greece paid for)
-SAAB 340 Erieye: 121mn(based on what Pakistan paid for)
-EH101 Merlin Naval: 63mn(based on what UK paid for)
-EH101 Merlin Tactical: 42mn(based on what UK paid for)
-PAH-2 Tiger: 52.5mn>62.5mn(based on what Spain paid for + goodies) + 42.5mn(based on what Australia paid for)

-PC-9M: 6.85mn>7.1mn(based on what Ireland paid for+all the goodies) + 6.6mn(based on what USAF paid for as T-6A Texan)
-Lasta 3: 1.5mn(quoted by Serbian officials)
-Grob G115: 282828(based on what a UK company paid for)

-SF-260M: 716666>433333(based on what Zimbabwe paid for) + 1mn(based on what Venezuela paid for+goodies)
-M-346: 12-14mn(quoted by Italian officials)
-Hawk LIFT: 24mn>22.5mn(based on what India paid for+goodies) + 31.6mn(based on what South Africa paid for+goodies) + 18.1mn(based on what Australia paid for+goodies)

-L-159A: 15mn(based on what it was offered to various countries)
-L-159B LIFT: 8.5mn(based on what it was offered to various countries)

-Gripen: 60.1mn>50mn(based on what it was offered to Brazil) + 45mn(based on what Pakistan said they would pay for them) + 65.3mn(based on what South Africa paid for+goodies) + 47mn(based on what Hungary paid for) + 93.2mn(based on what Czech Republic paid for)

-Mirage-2000-5: 108.3mn(based on what Qatar paid for+goodies+offsets)

-EF2000 Typhoon: 123mn(based on what Austria paid for+goodies+offsets)

-A400M: 114m(based on what Germany will pay for)

-C-295M: 35mn(based on what UAE paid for)

-CN-235-100: 15.59mn>12.85mn(based on what France paid for+goodies+offsets) + 18.33mn(based on what Colombia paid for)
-CN-235MP: 13.33mn(based on what Turkey paid for)

-C-212MP Aviocar: 9.85mn(based on what Portugal paid for)

-G 222: 22.67mn(based on what Thailand paid for)

-Sperwer UAV: 2.55mn(based on what Netherlands paid for)

-Mistral MANPAD: 400000>172215(based on what South Korea paid for) + 625000(based on what Brunei paid for) + 170000(based on what Ecuador paid for)

-Crotale: 24.18mn(based on what Greece paid for+goodies+offsets)

Israel
-Harpy UAV: 1.25mn(based on what India and Turkey paid for)
-Hunter UAV: 8.33mn(based on what France paid for) + 4.04mn(based on what Belgium paid for)

-Searcher UAV: 3mn(based on what Thailand paid for)
-Phalcon AEW: 395.5>366mn(based on what India paid for) + 425mn(what was offered to South Korea)

-Kfir C7 single seat: 8mn-Kfir C7 twin seat: 16mn(based on what various countries paid for)

India
-Tejas(LCA):21-25mn(quoted by Indian and HAL officials)
-Dhruv: 5mn(based on what it was offered to Chile by HAL)

Indonesia
-CN-235: 15.12mn>12.25(based on what Pakistan paid for) + 17.88mn(based on what SK paid for+offsets+goodies) + 16.83mn(based on what Malaysia paid for+offsets) + 13.5mn(based on what Brunei paid for)

Brazil
-EMB-145 Erieye: 125mn(based on what Greece paid for)
-EMB-314 Super Tucano: 5.5mn(based on what Dominican Republic paid for)
-AMT-100: 178571(based on what USA paid for)

South Korea

-T-50A Golden Eagle: 18mn(quoted by SK officials)
-T-50B LIFT/A-50 Golden Eagle: 20-22mn(quoted by SK officials)
-KT-1 Wong Bee: 8.5mn(based on what Indonesia paid for+goodies)

 

[diogenes]

me llama la atencion que un AH-1Z tenga el mismo valor que un AH-64D crei que el apache salia mas caro por asi decirlo.
y yo que queria un E-2C pero viendo el precio me parece que solo lo veo por la tele jejejje.
saludos camaradas

 

[MAC1966]

64*4,6M$=294,4M$, parece que con eso llega para unas cuantas cenas

Resaca, los 4,6M$ por misil,me parece una burrada,aunque los condicionantes políticos contaran y mucho,no veo al SM-2 a ese precio.Aquí te dejo las compras de SM-2 por España, precios y años.

"US Offers Standard Missiles To Netherlands, Spain. Aerospace Daily, Sep 18, 1998, p 452
In separate military sales, the US has offered standard missiles to the Netherlands and Spain. The Netherlands would get 24 Standard Missile-2 Block IIIA missiles for $24M; Spain would get 112 missiles of the same type for $105M. Descriptors, Keywords: SM-2 Standard Missile Sale Netherlands Spain US
UPDATE: Sep 18, 1998, No. 11"

Aquí nos salían a 937.000$.Si te das cuenta a Holanda les salió a 1 millón$

14-05-2003

"El Consejo de Ministros ha autorizado el contrato para la compra de 29 misiles Standard SM-2 III, necesarios, según el Gobierno, para cubrir los cargos mínimos de misiles fijados por el Estado Mayor de la Armada para las nuevas fragatas F-100. Los misiles se entregarán en 2006 y su valor asciende a 41.134.379 euros."

Y estos ya se nos van a 1.318.000€.


10 de diciembre de 1999

El Consejo de Ministros ha autorizado hoy la compra de 35 misiles antiaéreos Estándar SM-2 para las fragatas de la clase F-100 que se encuentran en construcción en la Empresa Nacional Bazán, en Ferrol, y cuya entrega a la Armada está prevista para el año 2002. El importe de la compra asciende a 5.135.451 pesetas, que se distribuirán entre los ejercicios 1999 y 2002.

Y aquí a 880.000€,aprox.

Para terminar te dejo los precios del SM-1 Block VIB,que se compraron hace poco.

"On 6 September 2005, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Spain of 94 SM-1 Block VIB Tactical STANDARD missiles, as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $41 million."

Estos nos salen a 436.170$.

 

[SG-1]

Por estos precios se ve clarito como hay armas incluso inferiores pero
que se han pagado mas que otras, el caso típico parece ser el de los
F-15s.....

Señores, este no es un mercado "transparente", la cara del vendedor y
la cara del cliente, y los "aceites necesarios" tambien hacen al precio.

 

[Resaca]

Supongo que el mercado armamentístico será como cualquier otro, condicionamientos políticos aparte, si la tirada es grande y los "goodies" y offset son aceptables, pues lo precios tirarán hacia abajo, si la tirada que pretendes es pequeña y está cargada de condicionantes, industriales, pues el precio descaradamente se acrecienta, también supongo que influirá la demanda y oferta, no es lo mismo, pillar una cadena de producción a tope, que una que se las ve y se las desea para seguir abierta.

Mac, a mí también me parecía exagerado el precio del SM-2, 50 mil millones de las antiguas pelas era una pasada se mirase por donde se mirase, y por un número no excesivo de misiles que solo cubre las necesidades a corto-medio plazo

 

[SnAkE_OnE]

Por estos precios se ve clarito como hay armas incluso inferiores pero
que se han pagado mas que otras, el caso típico parece ser el de los
F-15s.....

Señores, este no es un mercado "transparente", la cara del vendedor y
la cara del cliente, y los "aceites necesarios" tambien hacen al precio.

es mas , como vos bien decis , la cara del cliente....un tipo en UK reconocio sobreprecios en la venta de los Tornado a Arabia Saudita...