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LA FUERZA AEREA DE SUDAFRICA RECIBE EL PRIMER AVION JAS-39 GRIPEN BIPLAZA

La Fuerza Aérea Sudafricana (SAAF) recibió su primer avión del combate Gripen biplaza JAS 39D (# SA01). La entrega que se realizó en el marco de un extenso programa de dos años de pruebas de vuelo en Sudáfrica para integrar los sistemas de aviónica de defensa y combate.



El trabajo inicial fue realizado en Suecia antes de emigrar a los centros dedicados a las pruebas de vuelo de Gripen establecidos en el Centro de Desarrollo de Pruebas en Vuelo de la SAAF en Bredasdorp cerca de Ciudad del Cabo. Han sido pedidos nueve Gripen del modelo biplaza JAS-39D y 17 del modelo JAS-39C monoplaza como parte del programa estratégico de adquisición para la defensa de Sudáfrica en 1999. Las entregas de la variante D biplaza preceden a las entregas de los monoplazas JAS-39C.
 

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Saab ha efectuado una propuesta a Suiza para la venta de los aviones de combate Gripen. La misma fue entregada al departamento Suizo de adquisición tecnológica de sistemas complejos y tecnología de defensa, Armasuiza en Berna. Suiza ha necesitado reemplazar sus aviones de combate F-5E/F Tiger y Gripen, es una de los proveedores potenciales. El número exacto de aviones requeridos no ha sido informado por Armasuiza, pero el CEO de la empresa sueca Saab, Ake Svensson, dijo que le seduce el interés de Suiza por el Gripen. Suiza es ahora otro fuerte ejemplo del interés mundial por el Gripen. Nuestra propuesta reúne todos los requerimientos solicitados por Armasuisse. La propuesta del Gripen ofrece a Suiza el costo más efectivo y propone reemplazar el F-5E/F y por otra parte una perfecta fuerza ajustada con éxito a los F/A-18 C/D. La propuesta también ofrece a largo plazo cooperación con capacidad industrial al 100 por ciento del valor del contrato, agregó Svensson. Oficialmente Suiza adquirió y ensambló 85 aviones F-5 E/F de los cuales solo se tiene conocimiento de la venta de 36 a los Estados Unidos y 12 a Austria de los treinta y seis restantes con el paso de los años y la canibalización para repuestos a Suiza no le deben quedar mas de 20 aparatos. Debido a esto a la compra de los F/A-18C/D en operaciones se especula que si adquiere el JAS-39 Gripen serán entre 12 y 18 aviones. Como consecuencia de lo anunciado Saab ha firmado un memorando de entendimiento en relación con la cooperación industrial con Rheinmetall Schweiz AG y Pilatos Aircraft. Ambos acuerdos están conectados por la posible adquisición de Suiza del avión de combate Gripen. El Acuerdo entre Saab y Pilatos respecto a futuras actividades de cooperación industrial en el evento suizo se decidirá si la compra ocurre. El acuerdo abre el incremento de cooperación y posibles programas en conjunto en varias áreas de tecnología, tales como diseño y fabricación de componentes para aviones para ambos tipos de aviones tanto militar como civil. Este MoU podría llevar a la cooperación en el futuro entre Gripen y el avión de entrenamiento PC-21, dijo Ake Svensson, CEO Saab.

de espejo aeronautico.
 
Yo como simple mortal aficionado a estos temas,creo que el Gripen(si es el NG,mejor)es la opción perfecta para Suiza.
 

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Dicen que les ofrecen un trato por 33 Gripen. Y no le vendieron ningun F-5 a Austria, se los alquilaron, esta semana empezaban a devolverselos los austriacos a los suizos.
 
Por los 15 Typhoon que van llegando, en el 2012 se va el ultimo Tiger de Austria
Suiza venia evaluando o algo asi a varias opciones: Rafale, Typhoon, Super Hornet y el Grippen
 
Y si... si el pais entero de ellos nose si llega a ser del tamaño de Entre Rios...

Suiza tiene una extensión de 41.290 km2,notablemente menor a Entre Ríos,y el Gripen cumpliendo un rol netamente defensivo (de quién me pregunto yo)es el complemento perfecto al Hornet...
 
Es q lo paises de Europa tienen menos quilombos fronterizos que La Plata con Berisso
Austria no tiene, Suiza menos que menos, Alemania?? solo por ser potencia mundial, Suecia por ser neutral, Finlandia ...
 
Es q lo paises de Europa tienen menos quilombos fronterizos que La Plata con Berisso
Austria no tiene, Suiza menos que menos, Alemania?? solo por ser potencia mundial, Suecia por ser neutral, Finlandia ...

Já, que sabrá usted de fronteras, mi estimadisimo vecino platense. :cheers2:


ajajajajaja

aguante la región locoo


by the way, coincido con el resto, el Gripen es la alternativa perfecta al Hornet.
 
F-18 + Gripen....

Es una combinación cojonuda.

Sinceramente el Gripen tendría que ser planteado en Arg. es una avion moderno que dispondra de un buena mantenimiento durante 20-30 años
 
no tenemos plata para pagarlo (ni para comprar unos seat ibiza modelo 90 como el mio)
es caro, nuevo y funciona, son las 3 caracteristicas que todo politico argentino considera "no aceptables"
 
no tenemos plata para pagarlo (ni para comprar unos seat ibiza modelo 90 como el mio)
es caro, nuevo y funciona, son las 3 caracteristicas que todo politico argentino considera "no aceptables"

Plata si hay 16000 millones de verdes en subsidios por año con el 10% compras 18+6 Gripen C/D(los NG salen a el rededor de 67 M C/U) con dientes + toda la estructura para mant y un par de KC-135 el tema es que tendrian venir con un par de Awacs y el gripen no es de los mas caros de mantener ya que es monomotor ( el 404 si no me equivoco)
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Suiza tiene sus bardos en cuanto al gasto de defensa, y por las funciones que van a hacer no necesariamente tienen que comrprar el NG.

Con los C/D estarían mas que bien ya que es solo para funciones de interceptacion.
 
Yo me pregunto como hacen los pilotos de caza de países como Suiza para volar 10 minutos sin pasarse de largo de sus propias fronteras:

-Está usted violando espacio aéreo suizo, retírese o será derribado de inmediato.

-...

-Repito, retírese fuera del espacio aéreo suizo o procederé a derribarlo!!!

-El que está en territorio prohibido sos vos macho, y tomátelas del espacio aéreo austríaco o te vuelo las plumas, gil!!! :biggrinjester:
 
Suiza tiene sus bardos en cuanto al gasto de defensa, y por las funciones que van a hacer no necesariamente tienen que comrprar el NG.

Con los C/D estarían mas que bien ya que es solo para funciones de interceptacion.

mira Juan me parece que la oferta de Sabb es por los NG ( y ademas si no me equivoco en el llamado concurso se pedian aviones 0KM)no creo que los Suizos vallan a tomar los C/D mas seguro hagan como el programa F/A-18 un gripen 0km a su gusto
Saludos
 

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Gripen Stealth
Subject: Saab Offers Supercruising Stealth to South Korea
Softwar 7/8/2008 4:19:17 PM
Saab Offers Supercruising Stealth to South Korea
Aviation Week & Space Technology
07/07/2008 , page 32



South Korea's combat aircraft requirement draws out advanced proposals from Western fighter houses

A Saab proposal to co-develop a stealth fighter with South Korea is raising the prospect of an Asian-European aircraft emerging to compete with the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning.

The South Korean project to build an advanced combat aircraft alternatively offers to fund developments of the Eurofighter Typhoon or to help sustain Boeing's waning fighter business'but there is also a strong chance that the ambitious program will collapse into yet another F-35 order.

Saab is pitching a new design for a supercruising stealth fighter to South Korea, as well offering the possibility of joining the Gripen next-generation program (AW&ST June 30, p. 42).

Boeing is putting forward developments of the F-15, including reviving a 1990s concept without tail fins, and it has also offered a new fighter design.

EADS is pushing developments of the Typhoon beyond the Tranche 3 standard, and also flagging the opportunity of participating in its combat drone project. It may also have submitted a clean-sheet-of-paper fighter concept.

Lockheed Martin meanwhile is telling Seoul that the F-35 Lightning will meet its needs. That's not surprising, since it has no business interest in supporting South Korean ambitions to co-develop a stealth fighter, which would surely become an F-35 competitor.

The diverse range of offerings from the four manufacturers reflects uncertainty in South Korea itself over combat aircraft development. The air force wants an advanced fighter, but various factions in the government, industry and military are debating whether the country should fill that requirement by buying off the shelf or by taking part in development of a new aircraft or major derivative.

The country has two substantive fighter requirements, F-X Phase III for 60 aircraft and then F-XX for 120. It also has a parallel domestic stealth fighter development program, KFX. The F-XX requirement calls for fifth-generation aircraft, so the hope is that KFX will fill that need through a joint program between South Korean and foreign industry, with the latter carrying up to 30% of the development cost.

But KFX is up for review this month by the administration of new President Lee Myung-bak. It may be canceled or restricted to co-production or assembly of an existing aircraft, boosting Lockheed Martin's hopes of an order for the F-35. An intermediate possibility would be South Korean involvement in less advanced developments of current production aircraft.

The manufacturers presented their ideas at an air force seminar in Seoul on June 26.

Saab has circulated two series of designs for South Korea, for single and twin aircraft, recent iterations of which have been designated P305 and P306, respectively. Its presentation at the seminar showed only the twin-engine design, probably reflecting South Korean views on how large an aircraft is needed. The air force's Warfare Development Group has described the KFX as having a capability between that of the F-15 and F-16. By 'capability' it must mean weight and thrust class, since a new stealth aircraft would be much more capable than even updates of the 1970s designs.

Saab gave no specifications for its design but the external weapons shown on a drawing suggested an aircraft length of 17-18 meters (56-59 ft.). Span is much less than the length, possibly about 12 meters. If those rough estimates are correct, then the Saab stealth fighter would be at least as large as the Typhoon.

Saab shows single- and tandem-seat versions of the design. Inlet configuration is similar to the F-22's, and the tail fins are canted. The trailing edge of the main-plane is swept forward, again like the F-22's, but the leading edge looks significantly less swept. A gun is mounted abreast the left inlet duct.

The manufacturer promotes the aircraft as a balanced multirole design offering broadband stealth, supercruise, 'range and endurance,' integrated sensors, avionics and weapons, and situational awareness through the human-machine interface. It also claims attractive 'low life-cycle cost, growth potential [and] exportability,' while dismissing 'extreme stealth' as 'suitable for tailored platforms.'

Internal weapons stowage seems to be limited, since Saab says the bays are optimized for the air superiority role, although it still describes the aircraft as multirole in high-threat scenarios. External stores would be carried for low-threat scenarios. One of the three bays is behind the pit and between the inlets, and the other two are in the lower corners of the fuselage under the wing.

With domestic development, 'upgrades and changes to the aircraft can be implemented according to Republic of Korea Air Force priorities without interference by [the] seller's government, etc.,' Saab argues, in a clear jab at Lockheed Martin. Brig. Gen. Lee Hee-woo, head of the Warfare Development Group, is opposed to a South Korean order for the F-35, saying the inaccessibility of its software will deny 'operational sovereignty' to the user.

Within South Korea, the defense ministry's Agency for Defense Development is the most gung-ho about KFX. It would have little to do if KFX were canceled, so it is lobbying for the project to fill the F-XX requirement and has already produced stealthy concept designs.

Perhaps surprisingly, Korea Aerospace Industry is far less keen on an advanced development. Apparently mindful of its technological limitations, it would like the government instead to order the proposed F-50 combat version of the T-50, its Gripen-sized supersonic trainer.

The T-50 was developed under the guidance of Lockheed Martin, using the F-16 planform. Holding out the hope of a later development that might satisfy the urge to advance domestic technology, Korea Aerospace is also showing a concept of a delta-wing F-50XL, an analog of the F-16XL that Lockheed Martin offered to the U.S. Air Force in 1982. But the F-50XL concept differs from the F-16XL in having a wing with a straight leading edge, rather than a cranked arrow, and it has canted tail fins.

Some politicians are in favor of the F-35 for the F-XX requirement, and it is clearly well placed because of its combination of capability and cost.

The F-50 seems a long shot. Air force Chief of Staff Kim Eun-ki says the immediate priority is to continue buying fighters in the class of the F-15K until neighboring countries begin acquiring fifth-generation fighters.

Hence Boeing's opportunity in pushing the F-15K, of which South Korea has already ordered 61. Boeing updated the F-15E to create the F-15K for F-X Phase I, added features again for Phase II, and now says the Phase III model would have a next-generation active electronically scanned radar, electronic warfare suite, and advanced memory and weapon systems.

The KFX would follow that, and Boeing seems to have shown the finless F-15 as a possible candidate for the advanced program. The advantage of such an aircraft would be lower radar reflections, weight and drag. Brad Jones, Boeing's KFX program manager, tells Aviation Week & Space Technology that the Super Hornet could also be offered for KFX, and he adds that Boeing has also proposed a completely new design.

Jones suggests, however, that given the cost and development timescale implications of an all-new fighter, the defense ministry will most probably pursue the development of an existing aircraft to meet the KFX requirement.

The F-35 is the main competitor for F-X Phase III, as well as a strong candidate for F-XX. The immediate need to keep buying aircraft in the F-15K-class does not necessarily exclude the F-35, which is significantly larger than the Typhoon, for example.

The EADS offering is an improved Typhoon. In its presentation, EADS suggests new interface technologies, further development of sensor fusion and sensor upgrades, among others.

An EADS representative says: 'The EADS approach to KFX is based on an overarching partnership with the Republic of Korea [RoK] for the future combat air system capability development, including on the one hand RoK participation in the development of the Eurofighter future enhancements, and on the other the joint development of an unmanned combat air system, offering the perfect mix in terms of RoKAF future capability, program affordability and Korean industry workshare.'

A top South Korean government think tank responsible for economic policy analysis judged the KFX economically not worthwhile in December 2007 and stood fast when ordered by the defense ministry to reconsider its view (AW&ST Feb. 11, p. 19). The new government under President Lee, whose defense policy is vague, stresses economic efficiency first and foremost.

According to an industry source, one of the foreign companies offering to participate has assessed the program cost at 10 trillion won ($9.5 billion).

A committee chaired by Defense Minister Lee Sang-hee will conduct this month's review.

The Agency for Defense Development has revealed successful ground tests on radar-absorbing material on a McDonnell Douglas F-4 fighter. The timing of the May announcement could be interpreted as an attempt to gain publicity for the country's advanced aerospace efforts, helping to keep the KFX alive.

It isn't clear whether the South Korean material is structural or a coating, nor, if it is a coating, whether it is a paint or a metallic compound.

The agency says it has been studying the material since 1999 and received good results from trials in an indoor test facility. The next step will be flight tests, which will be conducted 'soon,' it says.

Taiwan, whose technological capability is similar to South Korea's, tested an imported anti-radar material on an AIDC AT-3 jet trainer in 2001-03. The supplier was 'an overseas Taiwanese man,' local media reported.

The Korean agency also says it has acquired technology for stealth shaping and analysis. In a November presentation, it showed pictures of a 1/10 scale model in an indoor radar range.

The model represented the agency's K100 concept for a fighter that would resemble a twin-engined F-35 with a multifaceted nose.

The KFX project dates back to the South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff's decision in November 2002 to acquire up to 120 fighters, which is the requirement known as F-XX. In 2004-06 it became the basis of the agency's fighter design study, which spawned two concepts, the K100 and K200, the latter being a twin-engined canard-delta fighter.

Like Japan's full-scale radar cross-section model tested in France in 2005, the model probably closely reflects the agency's ideas of what sort of aircraft it currently has in mind (AW&ST Feb. 11, p. 36).
 

AMX

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Não sei, mas é possível que os suecos tenham oferecido para o Brasil também.

Ah sou contra o Brasil desenvolver qualquer caça.
 
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