Gurkas: "Se rindieron porque nos tenían miedo”

oscarteves

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El BIM 5 sufrió un total de 30 muertos y 105 heridos, pero infligió al enemigo más de 350 muertos, según pudo constatarse en la recolección de cuerpos en el campo de batalla que se prolongó hasta el 19 de junio y en la que cooperó el propio personal del BIM 5 junto con efectivos británicos, obteniéndose así nuevas y concluyentes evidencias acerca de las verdaderas cifras de bajas británicas.

Tordillo: Veo que no leiste bien mi comentario anterior: 350 muertos + 700 heridos (mínimo), te da 1050 bajas!!! Con esos números, aniquilaron a los Guardias Escoceses en forma íntegra, y algunos británicos más... Pensá un poco...

Creo que estos comentarios no dan para más.

Oscar
 
Tordillo: Veo que no leiste bien mi comentario anterior: 350 muertos + 700 heridos (mínimo), te da 1050 bajas!!! Con esos números, aniquilaron a los Guardias Escoceses en forma íntegra, y algunos británicos más... Pensá un poco...

Creo que estos comentarios no dan para más.

Oscar

Oscar,

El capitán Carlos Robacio comenta perfectamente sobre la zona donde combatió el BIM5, NO solo fue en Tumbledown, y el BIM 5 NO solo combatió el 13 de junio por la noche, por favor lee bien, no te adelantes.
BIM 5: Compañía Obra, compañía Nacar, compañía Mar...Si tú eres amigo de Vázquez del BIM5, el debe conocer muy bien a quien fuera su comandante Robacio y deben haber comentado sobre este tema durante 26 años.

La cifra de 359 muertos se las dieron los mismos británicos al capitán de fragata Carlos Robacio. Pero, además, el mismo comprobó con sus propios ojos que su unidad le produjo a los británicos más muertos de los que confiesan. Por algo los ingleses reconocen en sus obras que el BIM5 fue la mejor unidad que tenían los argentinos en Malvinas y hasta comentan que los oyeron cantar a los argentinos mientras combatían.

Cuando Robacio comenta sobre los 359 muertos, NO dice que son todos guardias escoceses y NO solo se refiere a la batalla de Tumbledown, si no también, a otros lugares donde combatieron otras de sus compañías como la Obra, la Mar...antes de la batalla final del 13 de junio y luego el 14 de junio en Sapper Hill hasta las 12 horas, cuando Menéndez ya se había rendido horas antes.

Esto tambien dice Carlos Robacio -De los 74 días que pasamos en Malvinas, 44 recibimos fuego permanente sin poder responder. Solo los 4 o 5 últimos días fueron de real combate para nosotros… O sea, el BIM 5 estuvieron entre 4 o 5 días combatiendo contra los británicos.

Saludos!
 

Yalux

Forista Sancionado o Expulsado
Tordillo: Veo que no leiste bien mi comentario anterior: 350 muertos + 700 heridos (mínimo), te da 1050 bajas!!! Con esos números, aniquilaron a los Guardias Escoceses en forma íntegra, y algunos británicos más... Pensá un poco...

Creo que estos comentarios no dan para más.

Oscar

Don Oscar Tevez

Y de donde cree usted que vienen los 777 británicos heridos, porque la verdad, sería dificil comprender que la aviación argentina les haya provocado más de 600 heridos, si vamos con el cuento de los británicos sobre los heridos en enfrentamiento terrestres, estos apenas superan los 100. Fueron enfrentamiento muy duros y muy comentados, por eso yo tampoco les creo a los britis. Piense un poco usted tambien, a lo mejor algo de verdad tienen los foristas.

Yalux
 

Patanglén

soʌ sɐʇsǝ ɐʇlǝnʌ opɐp oɥɔǝɹǝp lɐ ʎoʇsǝ oʎ
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Tordillo: Veo que no leiste bien mi comentario anterior: 350 muertos + 700 heridos (mínimo), te da 1050 bajas!!! Con esos números, aniquilaron a los Guardias Escoceses en forma íntegra, y algunos británicos más... Pensá un poco...

Creo que estos comentarios no dan para más.

Oscar

Me parece que es al pedo seguir debatiendo con gente que no sabe separarse los huevos de la cabeza.

Totalmente de acuerdo Oscar, una cosa es debatir contra argumentos, investigación y pruebas y otra cosa es debatir contra testimonios de oído y en muchos casos inventados.

Saludos.
 

preloader

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Me parece que es al pedo seguir debatiendo con gente que no sabe separarse los huevos de la cabeza.

Totalmente de acuerdo Oscar, una cosa es debatir contra argumentos, investigación y pruebas y otra cosa es debatir contra testimonios de oído y en muchos casos inventados.

Saludos.
primer advertencia sobre el respeto a otras personas, no son necesarios los agravios, cualquier cosa por mensajeria privada, que no se repita.
 

Yalux

Forista Sancionado o Expulsado
Me parece que es al pedo seguir debatiendo con gente que no sabe separarse los huevos de la cabeza.

Totalmente de acuerdo Oscar, una cosa es debatir contra argumentos, investigación y pruebas y otra cosa es debatir contra testimonios de oído y en muchos casos inventados.

Saludos.

Claro, inventados como el tuyo. Nadie le miró a los ojos a esos veteranos de guerra y le dijo mentiroso.

Yalux
 
Me parece que es al pedo seguir debatiendo con gente que no sabe separarse los huevos de la cabeza.

Totalmente de acuerdo Oscar, una cosa es debatir contra argumentos, investigación y pruebas y otra cosa es debatir contra testimonios de oído y en muchos casos inventados.

Saludos.

Estimado,

Veo que con usted no se puede discutir bien este tema, no he visto su aporte, solo que le da la razón a Oscar. Hasta hace poco usted y Oscar estaban de acuerdo que Gran Bretaña había perdido 255 hombres, yo le demostré lo contrario con pruebas, al menos se encontró a tres británicos más que sumado nos da 258 y ellos no están reconocidos por el gobierno de Gran Bretaña en su nómina oficial y sabemos que son víctimas de la guerra y no encontré un documento de algún familiar de ellos que haya protestado porqué estas personas no están dentro de esa nómina oficial. Usted tampoco dio una respuesta a esto, no se de que investigación y pruebas habla, porque veo que a esto no lo investigaron. Y veo que los foristas de orígen británico Pirata y Testigo anónimo tienen un desconocimiento total en este tema.

Saludos!
 

Procer

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Tranquilos, el usuario ya ha sido advertido, dejen de echar leña al fuego y atenerse al debate del tema Ghurkas
 
Don Oscar Tevez

Y de donde cree usted que vienen los 777 británicos heridos, porque la verdad, sería dificil comprender que la aviación argentina les haya provocado más de 600 heridos, si vamos con el cuento de los británicos sobre los heridos en enfrentamiento terrestres, estos apenas superan los 100. Fueron enfrentamiento muy duros y muy comentados, por eso yo tampoco les creo a los britis. Piense un poco usted tambien, a lo mejor algo de verdad tienen los foristas.

Yalux

Gracias por los MP que me enviaron, si vamos con la teoría del amigo Oscar de que por cada un muerto tres heridos, vemos que en el enfrentamiento de Darwin-Pradera del Ganso (Goose Green) hubo 18 muertos del lado británico y 35 heridos, entonces serían: 54 heridos.

En el enfrentamiento en Longdon hubo 23 muertos del lado británico y 42 heridos, entonces serían: 69 heridos.

En el enfrentamiento en Tumbledown hubo 8 muertos del lado británico y 14 heridos, entonces serían 24 heridos.

En San Carlos la aviación argentina dejó 9 muertos del lado británico y 10 heridos, entonces serían 27 heridos.

En Bahía Agradable la aviación argentina dejó 50 muertos y 60 heridos, entonces sería 150 heridos, esta última cifra se asemeja a lo que dice Antony Preston (autor británico) quien expresa en su obra Sea Combat of the Malvinas que el buque hospital “Uganda” recibió como consecuencia de este ataque, 159 heridos a bordo (pág. 40), Acá veo que la acertó Oscar, entonces, en fin........


Saludos!
 
STORY OF Malvinas GURKHA HERO
LANCE CORPORAL GYANENDRA RAI
1st BATTALION 7TH DUKE OF EDINBURGH'S OWN GURKHA RIFLES
BANNED FROM BRITAIN




The humiliation of brave Gurkhas like Mr Pun VC and Lance Corporal Rai highlights our Government's shoddy treatment of all "our" honourable Gurkha-soldier veterans. You can continue to support our Gurkhas and Lance Corporal Rai by asking your friends to visit this website and by joining our campaign by writing to their MPs and the Government Minister for Immigration, Liam Byrne.

Gyanendra Rai has been told that he does not have "close ties" to the United Kingdom, and is not welcome in this country. What follows is an extract from Lance Corporal Rai's account, in his own words, of events at Hoya Chasco (Bluff Cove) in June 1982, and thereafter:-

"I was a Lance Corporal in the 1st Battalion of the 7th Gurkha Rifles, posted to the Malvinas during the 1982 war with Argentina.

I arrived in Port San Carlos on 1st June 1982. We marched to Hoya Chasco (Bluff Cove) and a place called Wether Ground, with 60 kg (just under 9.5 stone) packs and supplies on our back. We had to march in freezing temperatures, in biting wind, and sometimes at 14 below zero. It was unbelievably cold. The march lasted for 3 days. We would march each day for 10 to 12 hours, with short breaks. I was "B Company's" Detachment Commander. I was responsible for the GPMG-SF "General Purpose Machine Gun - Sustained Fire", which is a heavy (24 lbs) 7.62 mm machine gun. It can fire up to 750 rounds per minute, over a distance of up to 1800 metres (1.1 miles). As well as being used by infantry in the field (being operated by 2 men on a tripod), the GPMG-SF is sometimes mounted on helicopters and armoured vehicles. I was tasked to use this weapon to support and protect British and Gurkha troop positions, and lay down suppressive fire in case of Argentinean counter-attacks en route to Puerto Argentino. In addition to the weight of the GPMG-SF, me and the 9 Gurkhas under my command had to carry heavy rounds of ammunition. Like me, there were 2 other Gurkhas specially trained in the use of the GPMG-SF.



On the 10th June, the night before I was wounded, we took in-coming artillery fire from Argentinean positions at Sapper Hill, close to Puerto Argentino. The artillery was being fired from the Argentine guns approximately 15,000 metres from our location (approximately 9.3 miles away). Luckily, on that occasion the artillery rounds went over the tops of our heads and exploded some metres away. No-one was hurt during this attack. However, this is the first time I had suffered a full-scale bombardment in the battlefield. My Company made a tactical withdrawal to safer ground, in case the Argentinean spotters moved the artillery fire closer to our positions. We dug-in and made trenches. It was very hard work. Just below the sticky, muddy surface were large rocks, and as we dug we got down to the water table. We therefore stood in trenches filled with freezing water, which covered our mud filled boots. However, the Gurkha's trenches were so good that even 10 years later, during military exercises on the Malvinas, British soldiers reported that they were still there and intact.



On the morning of 11th June 1982, I recall that it was again bitterly cold. We were securing our trench positions around Hoya Chasco (Bluff Cove) when I heard a whizzing, whistling noise in the sky above me. I immediately recognised that it was another round of in-coming Argentinean artillery fire. Two rounds exploded close to us, but none of my men was injured as we took shelter. It was very much like a scene from the First World War, as we sheltered in and around our muddy, waterlogged trenches. I then heard the familiar whistle of another in-coming artillery round. This time, the round exploded some 5 to 6 metres (15 to 20 feet) from me and my men. All that I can remember of the initial explosion was a massive bang that immediately deafened me (I was subsequently left deafened for about 10 minutes). The air was taken out of my lungs and I found it hard to breathe. Everything went black and I could not see. I was totally disorientated. I was confused and my head was spinning.



Initially I did not feel any pain, though I remember smelling smoke and burning flesh. I think that I was knocked out or stunned by the artillery shell's impact. I began looking around to see if my men were hurt, but I could not move. I could see that the left side of my camouflaged uniform was torn and was now smothered in dark red blood. One of my fellow Gurkhas shouted at me, but I could not hear him as I was temporarily deafened. The soldier was pointing to my back. I noticed that my uniform was torn, smouldering and singed. I used my hand to smother any smouldering cloth, as I thought I might catch fire. It was then that I noticed the left side of my back had been torn out by shrapnel from the artillery round. I tried to crawl, but I just could not move. I was incapacitated and was, by now, smothered in my blood. In addition I had sustained a shrapnel laceration to my right shoulder, but this was less serious than the life threatening wound to my left lumber region.



It was at this point I was absolutely convinced that I would die. I knew that I was badly wounded and I thought of Pashupatinath Temple, which is the most sacred Hindu Temple in the world. The Temple is in Kathmandu, in my homeland of Nepal. I knew that if I thought of this temple, as I lay dying on the battlefield, I would definitely go to heaven.



However, my thoughts of a quick death were soon shattered. Within seconds, another Argentinean artillery round whistled across the sky and I knew that we were under attack from 4th artillery round being driven in to our sector. The round landed only 2 metres (12 feet) from me and my colleagues. However, it was our good fortune that the round did not explode. All 9 of my men would have been killed had the shell exploded that close to us. I recall, as I lay in a pool of my own blood, that I looked at the dud artillery shell and could see 155 mm on the side of it. I thought to myself, at least now I know what type of artillery the Argentineans are using against us, and what precisely had wounded me.



As I looked around, I could see that the shell that had cut me down had also wounded 2 of my Gurkha comrades. One of my Gurkhas had his face, neck, and hair smothered in blood. Pieces of shrapnel had hit his helmet and gone through the rear of it. Luckily, the velocity of the shrapnel was slowed down sufficiently by the helmet, so that he was not mortally wounded. I think if he had not been wearing his helmet, however, the shrapnel would have definitely ripped his head off. I then noticed another of my men, lying on the ground holding his leg. He had taken shrapnel just above one of his knees (I cannot remember which knee, as I was drifting in and out of consciousness by this time). My comrade’s leg; his combat trouser leg; and his boot were smothered in thick red blood.



I told those of my men who were not injured to retreat to safe positions to protect themselves from the continuing artillery barrage. It was clear the Argentineans had gotten our range by now. I then think I went unconscious. However, I think it took about 15 to 20 minutes for a British Army ambulance with a large red cross on the side, to make its way to us in the field. I later found out that the British Army could not call in helicopter support to us, as there were no helicopters available at that precise moment.



By the time the army ambulance arrived, I was in severe pain and had lost a lot of blood. It was like someone had driven a 2 kg (4.5 lb) sledgehammer through the side of my back. I simply cannot describe the pain, as it was so unbearable. However, I noticed that neither my men nor I were screaming or shouting by this stage. I think we had all accepted, which is typical of Gurkhas, that we were going to die honourably on the battlefield.



I remember an Army Medic rushing over to me. He immediately gave me morphine, and within minutes the pain eased. When you are given morphine, they mark an "M" on your forehead so the surgeons know not to give you more when you arrive at the field hospital. I never got to thank this man properly, but I owe him my life. The medics lifted me, semi-conscious, onto a stretcher. I remember that the stretcher filled up with my blood, so much so that it was coloured dark red by the time they rushed me to Fitzroy Field Hospital where surgeons began to save my life.



I feel the British Army surgeons who operated on me were the finest in the world. They had to work on terrible injuries, including my own. Despite the battlefield situation, they did everything they could to save my life and the lives of my fellow British army comrades who were also dying around me.



When I recovered, the surgeons gave me the piece of artillery shrapnel which they had removed from my back. The shard of jagged steel was approximately 6 cm by 2 cm. I now keep the shrapnel piece as special memento of the day I nearly died during the Malvinas War."



Cont…



"Some time later, I learned that during my lifesaving surgery in Fitzroy Field Hospital, in order to cover the hole in my back caused by the artillery round, I received a graft of muscle and skin from a British soldier. I assume the soldier had just died at Fitzroy Field hospital that same morning, and that this man had given the gift of life to me by his sacrifice on the battlefield. I still think and wonder who that soldier was, and I regret he lost his life the same day that my life hung in the balance. It is ironic that when British Embassy in Kathmandu refused my application to come and live in the UK and receive medical treatment, they said that I "did not have strong ties to the UK". I have since thought to myself that I am literally part-British, because a fallen British soldier's skin and muscle was grafted to me in order to save my life, on 11 June 1982.



I was subsequently taken back to the UK for more intensive surgery. I had 2 further major operations on my wounds. I was in constant pain at the time, and still have considerable pain today. In fact, part of my left side is now slightly paralysed and numbed due to my wounds. I was told that when I went back to Nepal, I would get army medical treatment. However, I have never had any medical treatment from the army, in Nepal. I cannot always get the painkillers and medications I need, and to be honest I cannot afford the medical treatment. Even though I served in the British Army for 13 years, being discharged with "exemplary" conduct, I am 2 years under the 15 years required to receive a British Army pension. Therefore, life is very, very hard for me even though I have given my all for Britain and did my duty without question.



When I was required to leave my army service, my wife was pregnant and we were not allowed to stay at the Regimental Barracks in Hong Kong. I had to return to Nepal without any pension or income. We were so poor that we could not live in the town of Dharan, which was then the main British Gurkha recruitment camp for Nepal and a place to find work. My wife and I returned to my remote village, called Bhojpur. There was no hospital in that village, nor were there any medical facilities close to our village. Shortly after my army retirement, my wife gave a birth to our child at our home in the mountains. Unfortunately, during childbirth all the afterbirth did not come out. My wife became very sick, and I was forced to try and take her to a nearby airport to see if there would be someone to give her first aid or medical treatment. I carried my sick wife for 6 hours on foot, carrying her on basket on my back, to Tumlingar Airport. Sadly, my wife died on the way to the Airport. My heart was broken, but I could not give up, as I had to support my young children.



As I did not have any income, following my discharge from the British Army and the death of my wife, I was so poor that I went to Iraq and worked illegally and earned some money to send back to my children in Nepal. I ran a great risk working illegally in Iraq. I arrived in Iraq on 12 January 2004 and worked there for 22 months until 31 October 2005. I provided private security to the British Army in Bazra, and also security for the Iraqi Prime Minister and governmental complex in Baghdad. I then returned back to Nepal, because I missed my family. I now scrape a living in Nepal, and I am humiliated by having to borrow money from local loan sharks.



I do not want to come to Britain for any charity, as all Gurkhas are honourable people. I do not want to take anything from a country which I love and fought for. I applied to live in the UK so that I could get medical treatment for my wounds and to help stop the nightmares which I still suffer as a result the horrors I saw in the Malvinas. It would be a great honour for me to live and work hard amongst the British people, but sadly the British Embassy in Kathmandu do not think I am worthy of such an honour. It is heartbreaking that the British Embassy has forgotten that I nearly died in battle, fighting alongside brave men of the British Army that day in 1982."



Cont…



"My father was Hasta Bahadur Rai. During the Second World War, he answered Britain's call for help and joined the 10th Gurkha Rifles. My father was seriously wounded attacking a Japanese position in Burma. He sustained a rifle bullet wound just below his right knee, fired from the rifle of a Japanese solider defending an enemy position. My father was so badly wounded that he spent 2 1/2 years in hospital in India (then part of the British Empire). For the rest of his life, my father walked with a stick and was badly crippled. However, I can still remember how proud my father was of his Burma Star, which was awarded to him by Britain. I know that my father would be deeply proud of me, and that I too have fought for the British people and the honour of the Gurkha Regiments"



Cont…



"It was a family tradition to be a Gurkha. In Nepal it is always a great honour for our finest men to fight for and protect Britain. My family always viewed Britain as a great Empire and the home of democracy. My family knew that if we joined the British Army we could be proud to say that we served as Gurkhas. Also, our lives would be fundamentally different being part of such a great country and great army. I would have no hesitation in joining the Gurkhas again and would still be willing to lay down my life for the British people, as I was willing to do on the battlefields of the Malvinas in 1982.



I have heard of the British peoples' support for my fellow Gurkha veteran, Mr Tul Bahadur Pun VC, and their support for all the Gurkhas. I am very grateful that the British people have not forgotten us, especially those of us Gurkhas who are now in need of Britain's help.

Lance Corporal Gyanendra Rai 1/7th GRG (Rtd)"

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Por eso!, habia que ver a unos pocos gurkas capturados por los comandos! estaqueados a lo gaucho al lado de una hoguera envueltos en una piel recien quitada!!! secandoce con el calor y crujiendo sus costillas al encojerce en ella!!!.
AHI ME DIRAN SI SON GUAPOS!!!, VAMOS CHE!!! son personas...
http://fuerzasarmadasargentinas.wordpress.com/
Perdón...
¿Entendí mal o vos hablás de desollar vivos a soldados profesionales?

"Una convención de Ginebra a la derecha!":puke:
 

Jualbo

Colaborador
¿Cómo se puede afirmar que llevaban un bolsita de cocaína? ¿Qué pruebas tiene usted para hacer ese tipo de afirmación y además generalizada? Y las demás perlas, lamentable.
 

Rainbow Warrior

Forista Sancionado o Expulsado
Los gurkhas son fuerzas más que respetable, veo que acá muchos los toman a la ligera.

No hay que faltarle el respeto al enemigo.
 

2-P-111

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Usuario malvinas:

Le pido que edite su post, de lo contrario lo vamos a tener que hacer uno de los moderadores. Por esta vez pasa porque es nuevo en el foro.

Otra cosa, vamos a tener que cambiar el nombre de usuario. Llevar ese nombre requiere una altura y respeto que usted no ha demostrado.

Me dice cual es el nombre de usuario nuevo que quiere y hacemos el cambio (no hay negociación posible al respecto).

Le estoy enviando este mismo texto por mensaje privado.
 

Hattusil

Miembro del Staff
Moderador
Perdón...
¿Entendí mal o vos hablás de desollar vivos a soldados profesionales?

"Una convención de Ginebra a la derecha!":puke:

No. Habla de meter a una persona en un cuero recien cuereado y ponerlo al calor. El cuero se encoje hasta asfixiar a la victima. Una costumbre milenaria... pero que no deja de estar fuera de lugar en el tema.
 
No. Habla de meter a una persona en un cuero recien cuereado y ponerlo al calor. El cuero se encoje hasta asfixiar a la victima. Una costumbre milenaria... pero que no deja de estar fuera de lugar en el tema.


Ah... no sabía, muchas gracias por el dato y gracias procer por el nombre "retobo", ya me voy a googlear para averiguar más...!:cheers2:

Saludos y nuevamente Gracias!
 
jajajaja, que Gurkhas ni que nada, ni que tuvieran la piel anti balas estos amarillos pigmeos. Quizas hace 300 años cuando las guerras se peleaban a fierrazos eran algo mas intimidantes. Pero actualmente no existe un soldado que no acabe tocando el arpa si le das un par de balazos bien puesto.

Se sobreestiman ellos mismos. Y su Famoso Kukri probablemente en el combate moderno les sirva mas de abrelatas.
 
Los Gurkhas estan actualmente "participando" de algun conflicto x alguna parte hoy en dia? ... sin tener en cuenta Iraq y Afganistán
 
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