Todo sobre el F-35 Lightning II

[SG-1]

"El proximo caza no tendra piloto"

yo esa frase por ahora la pongo al lado de:

"el cañon fue reemplazado por misiles" (vietnam)
"el bombardero siempre llega a su blanco" (wwII)
"no hay dogfight con los cazas rapidos de hoy" (WWII)
"no hay dogfight con los cazas rapidos de hoy" (Corea)
"es imposible atacar a una fragata misilistica moderna"('82)
etc
etc
etc

Yo no digo que los pilotos desaparecerán, yo si te digo
que habrá una nueva generación de aviones de combate sin
piloto.

 

[fatherland]

Si tuviera que elegir entre todos los posibles cazas que reemplazarian a los mirage , sin dudas el F-35 es el mas acertado para la FAA ,pero en nuestra realidad es el que mas alejado esta entre todos .

 

[SnAkE_OnE]

de haber puesto $ para la sociedad durante el desarrollo...sin oposicion por parte de UK...quien te dice q no hubieramos podido?

 

[Iconoclasta]

bautizo o bautismo?

yo creo que también, la era de los pilotos tal como los conocemos se acaba

 

[SnAkE_OnE]

segun dicen ya nacio el ultimo piloto de combate... (de aca..lo dudo )

 

[nestor666]

Yo lo bautizaria: "Slavemaker", teniendo en cuenta que la actitud del tio sam es solamente esa.

 

[MAC1966]

Aquí la cabina del F-35,observar que no lleva HUD,lo llevara en el casco del piloto.
Tambien como la cabina se abre en sentido contrario a las actuales.

 

[spirit666]

Excelente disposición pero... el Brigadier General Charles Davis, jefe del programa JSF, hoy acaba de informar que el programa se retrasará un año más y ello provocará que cada F-35 incremente su valor entre 4 y 6 millones de dólares según la versión.

El prototipo que debía volar en éstos días, postergó su primer vuelo para Noviembre o Diciembre. Como la noticia es reciente veremos cuél es la reacción de los socios del Programa JSF ante éste nuevo retraso e incremento de precio.

 

[Guitro01]

Ya no estaba decidido el nombre Lithing II??

 

[AMRAAM]

¡Por dios! pero que cabina, sin dudas lo ultimo en tecnologia.

 

[MAC1966]

Y ahora el HUD......,juraría que lleva el traje de vuelo del Tifón.

 

[Hoot]

Lo mas curioso de todo, que esos diseños de cascos no son de reciente diseño,
se vienen trabajando en ellos por casi 20 años. Recuerdo haber leido sobre
ellos como "los cascos de los cazas del futuro" o algo asi, en una popular
mechanics de ppio de los '90. En ese articulo recuerdo como hablaban de la
capacidad Off bore sight con rayos lasers que se proyectan desde el casco
hacia tu retina para apuntar a tus blancos con tus ojos. De hecho ese principio
se ocupo en una linea de camaras de Canon en que enfocabas con tus ojos.

Lo que me hace preguntar como seran los cascos que estan a empezarse a
diseñar hoy y que probablemente entren en funcionamiento en otros 20 años.

 

[SG-1]

Tengo una revista muy,.. muy vieja,.... que tenía ese casco para el
Rafale,..... digamos hace unos 15 años.

 

[Comrade]

de haber puesto $ para la sociedad durante el desarrollo...sin oposicion por parte de UK...quien te dice q no hubieramos podido?

Si a Holanda le salen unos 215 millones de dolares cada aparato, que nos quedaba para nosotros?

En lugar de darnos aviones nos premiaban con televisores LCD por participar.

 

[Kilua]

Hoy se hace público cual será el nombre. Personalmente me gusta más de línea que la del X-35, al igual que me gusta más la línea del F-22A respecto a la del YF-22A.

Estoy de acuerdo con el F-22, pero no con el F-35. Me gustaba mas el X-35, tal vez se usen las lineas del X-35 en la exportación?

 

[SnAkE_OnE]

Si a Holanda le salen unos 215 millones de dolares cada aparato, que nos quedaba para nosotros?

En lugar de darnos aviones nos premiaban con televisores LCD por participar.

no necesariamente tenias q ser un socio clase 1 , con poner 50 palos verdes ya tenias preferencia para comprar "sin restricciones"

 

[SnAkE_OnE]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the costliest weapons procurement project ever, is set to make its maiden test flight next week, a U.S. general running the project said on Tuesday.

"I am optimistic that we will see the airplane fly as early as Monday" at Lockheed Martin Corp.'s (LMT.N: Quote, Profile, Research) Fort Worth, Texas, test site, Marine Brig. Gen. David Heinz, the Pentagon program office's deputy director, told the Reuters Aerospace and Defense Summit in Washington, D.C.

At a projected $276.5 billion, the planned family of radar-evading warplanes represents the Pentagon's priciest planned purchase -- more than 2,400 aircraft by 2027 for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.

Three single-engine F-35 models are to replace aging F-16s, F/A-18 Hornets and a range of other fighter and strike aircraft for the United States and its friends over the next 30 years.

The supersonic, multirole aircraft's development has been co-financed by eight international partners -- Britain, Italy, Netherlands, Turkey, Canada, Australia, Denmark and Norway.

Heinz predicted all eight partners would buy F-35s by 2014, bringing their combined purchases to more than 3,100 aircraft, including the more than 2,400 planned for the United States and 138 scheduled for Britain.

As early as 2010, the Pentagon expects to define an F-35 configuration for sale to even more countries through the U.S. Foreign Military Sales program, Heinz said.

The first buyers of these models likely would include Spain, Israel and Singapore, he said.

"I believe there will be an additional 2,000 aircraft" sold from 2015 through 2035 to countries outside the original production consortium, Heinz said.

He said the scheduled 60-minute first flight of a conventional takeoff and landing model would follow a planned low-speed taxi test at 30 knots on Wednesday and ever-faster taxiing in following days.

Citing a 40 percent chance of rain at Fort Worth Monday, Heinz left open the possibility of a slight delay. "You don't want to expose yourself to more risk ... You want to crawl before you walk before you run," he said.

John Smith, a spokesman for Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed Martin, said: "We are making good progress toward first flight." He said the actual date hinged on the aircraft's readiness, not on any schedule.

Key F-35 subcontractors include BAE Systems Plc (BA.L: Quote, Profile, Research) and Northrop Grumman Corp. (NOC.N: Quote, Profile, Research). If planned funding levels remain on track, Heinz said, Lockheed would produce one F-35 every two days 10 years from now.

He said economies of scale may make the F-35 more affordable over time. Current procurement projections are the basis for the F-35's estimated average unit cost of $45 million for the conventional model, to $60 million for one designed to land on aircraft carriers. A third jump-jet version, built for the Marine Corps, is designed for short takeoff and vertical landing.

On November 14, the Netherlands became the first of the F-35 partner nations to extend its participation from development into a production and support phase.

Canada and Australia will follow suit on Monday and Tuesday, respectively, Heinz said, with the others expected to do so by the end of this month, with the possible exception of Norway because of questions in its legislature about its industry's share of F-35-related contracts.

otra mas para el culebron

Britain may quit F-35 fighter plan - Howarth

Wed Dec 6, 2006 11:57 PM GMT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Britain may make good on a threat to withdraw from the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the biggest international arms-acquisition project, absent ironclad U.S. pledges to share the plane's technology secrets, Shadow Defence Minister Gerald Howarth said on Wednesday.

Howarth said he had discussed the matter on Thursday with Lord Drayson, Britain's minister for defence procurement, as a target looms this month for signing a pact on the program's next stage.

"If this issue cannot be resolved there is the real prospect that, as the British (Defence) Minister Lord Drayson has made plain and as he confirmed to me last week, we will pull out," Howarth said.

Lockheed Martin Corp. is building three models of the supersonic radar-evading F-35 for the U.S. Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps, and for the British Royal Air Force and Royal Navy to replace the Harrier GR.7 and Sea Harrier.

If the government backs out, it would go with "Option B which, it is true, is as yet unspecified," Howarth added at a defence industry conference hosted by the Hudson Institute, a policy research group, in Washington.

On Tuesday, Marine Brig. Gen. David Heinz, the Pentagon program office's deputy director, told the Reuters Aerospace and Defence Summit in Washington that he expected Britain to sign a memorandum of understanding extending its participation in the F-35 by the end of this month. All other partners, with the possible exception of Norway, are also expected to sign similar documents, Heinz said.

Drayson, testifying at a March 14 U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee hearing, had threatened to leave the project if Washington withheld such things as the software source code behind the aircraft's electronic brains.

Britain has committed $2 billion (1.02 billion pounds) to develop the F-35, the most of any U.S. partner. It is being co-developed with Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey, Canada, Australia, Denmark and Norway

"It is simply not conceivable that we should have a piece of kit central to our inventory that we cannot operate autonomously," Howarth told reporters after his presentation. He said Britain wanted firm commitments that it would get source code that would let it operate the aircraft on its own even if contracts it signed now failed to foresee every eventuality.

Drayson is due to visit Washington next week to try to wrap up a technology-sharing deal before signing the pact that would commit Britain to the program's production and support phase.

Kathy Crawford, a spokeswoman for the Pentagon's F-35 program office, said Howarth's comment "does not line up with the feedback that we're receiving from meetings taking place between high-level U.S. and UK government officials."

Lockheed Martin said it believed the U.S. and British governments had made excellent progress on technology transfer issues since President George W. Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair met on the issue earlier this year.

"The two governments continue to work this issue very closely, and we remain confident we will reach a positive resolution," said Thomas Jurkowsky, a Lockheed spokesman in Bethesda, Maryland.

Lockheed expects all partners to sign "Production, Sustainment and Follow-on Development" pacts in coming weeks, he added.

The British embassy did not return calls seeking comment.

Key F-35 subcontractors include BAE Systems Plc and Northrop Grumman Corp..

Britain is scheduled to buy as many as 138 F-35s.

 

[Hoot]

Estoy casi seguro que si empiezan a salir mas problemas en el F35B, los ingleses
hecharan mano a un plan B, que me imagino es un desarrollo propio de un reemplazo
del harrier, quiza no tan sofisticado al F35B, pero si mas realista y cumplidor.

El tema primordial: Motores, lo tienen mas que desarrollado.

 

[SuperEtendard]

Cual es el precio de este "avioncito"?? Teniendo en cuenta q argentina va a comprar unos 100 para la FAA...jaja no hablando enserio ahora cual es el precio y alguien tiene info de las prestaciones del avion e informacion general??
Saludos

Mas vale tarde que nunca dice el dicho

- Another GAO report, also published in March 2006, estimates the cost of 424 Low Rate Initial Production aircraft at $ 49 billion, i.e. $ 115 million per aircraft

Saludos

 

[tinchow]

MPs urge 'plan B' if US drags feet on fighter technology
Times Online and PA News

Ministers were today urged to consider abandoning the multi-billion pound Joint Strike Fighter project unless the United States agrees within weeks to share sensitive technology.

The Government should develop a "plan B" for jets to operate from two new aircraft carriers if a deal is not struck by the end of the year, according to the influential Commons Defence Select Committee.

Progress on the £140 billion project - the most expensive single armaments programme in UK military history - has been dogged by wrangles over whether Britain would be given access to the technology powering the high-tech aircraft.

Ministers have previously threatened that the UK could pull out of plans to buy up to 150 of the military planes for the RAF and Navy unless America agreed to transfer secrets about its software that Britain argues are needed in order to operate and maintain them independently.

It appeared that Tony Blair and George Bush had solved the impasse in May, when they announced an agreement in principle that the UK would be given access to the classified details on conditions of strict secrecy.

The news was widely seen as evidence that the Prime Minister’s close alliance with the American President did have benefits for Britain.

But in a report on defence procurement published today, the committee warned that it was still "uncertain" whether the US was prepared to supply the required information.

"If the UK does not obtain the assurances it needs from the US then it should not sign the Memorandum of Understanding covering production, sustainment and follow-on development," the MPs insisted.

The report said that backing off from the deal would constitute a "serious blow" to defence co-operation between the UK and America, but other options had to be considered.

"If the required assurances are not obtained by the end of the year, we recommend that the Ministry of Defence switch the majority of its effort and funding on the programme into developing a fallback ‘plan B’, so that an alternative aircraft is available in case the UK has to withdraw from the Joint Strike Fighter programme.

"We must not get into a situation where there are no aircraft to operate from the two new aircraft carriers when they enter service," the MPs added.

The Committee also expressed "concern" that delays in production of the aircraft could lead to an increase in cost of between 25 per cent and 35 per cent.

Aside from the JSF project, the MPs also looked at procurement for the ongoing military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. They said that despite the Prime Minister’s recent commitment to provide all equipment requested by commanders on the ground there were still worrying shortages.

The report identifies a lack of heavy lifting aircraft as a particular problem, and describes the "sorry episode" of eight Chinook Mk3 helicopters which remain in British hangars while the MoD negotiates with manufacturer Boeing over responsibility for solving a software issue.

The negotiations could go on until "the next decade", and the incident is estimated to cost the taxpayer £205 million, according to the MPs.

Gerald Howarth, Shadow Defence Minister, said: "The Government has failed to deliver the essential equipment needed by our Armed Forces when Britain’s military commitments are increasing.

"Whilst Gordon Brown this week may have promised an additional £600 million to the military, it is too little, too late."

He added that the Tories endorsed the Government’s call on the US to secure the transfer of technology and Britain might have to find an alternative fighter.


Upaa, cada vez se pone más heavy el entredicho, parece que no son sólo sospechas aceca del acceso al soft del F-35, si no que ya UK tiene problemas con respecto al software de los Chinooks... el plan B se refiere seguro al Rafale, no hay forma de que adquieran Sukhois!