Asuntos Aeroespaciales

Y no me vengan con el verso del Helio-3. No se puede aceptar las cosas que escriben los académicos o los que quieren que el Estado les de plata y trabajo a sus distritos/fundaciones/empresas.

Es que va a llegar a un momento donde los recursos de la Tierra no son suficientes. Y ahí van a empezar a traer los asteroides. Ni hablar que si o si hay que hacer minería espacial para asentarse en Marte, la Luna y Ceres.
Hoy día los depósitos de plomo están agotándose, dentro de 30 años no quedarán minas rentables para extraer plomo si no se encuentran nuevos.
Para el 2025 se proyecta la entrada en decline de la producción de Zinc y Cobre y para 2050 Aluminio y Hierro.

Los asteroides presentan grandes concentraciones compactas y muchas veces más puras que en la tierra de todo mineral necesario. Hay ya un asteroide identificado cuyos recursos superan los 60 billones de dólares.
El 2012 DA14 fue valuado en 20 billones de dólares, hay asteroides de hierro-niquel muy puros ahí, esperando a ser tomados. Un pequeñó asteroide de platino de unas pocas decenas de metros podría suplir toda la demanda del siglo XXI y hacer caer los precios para ser usado en más aplicaciones y abaratar los productos.
 
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"We're going to go to the source," Anderson said. "The platinum-group metals are many orders of magnitude easier to access in the high-concentration platinum asteroids than they are in the Earth's crust."

And there are a lot of precious metals up there waiting to be mined. A single platinum-rich space rock 1,650 feet (500 meters) wide contains the equivalent of all the platinum-group metals ever mined throughout human history, company officials said.



Asteroid Mining Venture Backed by Google Execs, James Cameron Unveiled
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Small, water-rich near-Earth asteroids can be captured by spacecraft, allowing their resources to be extracted, officials with the new company Planetary Resources say.
Credit: Planetary Resources, Inc.Planetary Resources, Inc. intends to sell these materials, generating a healthy profit for itself. But it also aims to advance humanity's exploration and exploitation of space, with resource extraction serving as an anchor industry that helps our species spread throughout the solar system.

"If you look at space resources, the logical next step is to go to the near-Earth asteroids," Planetary Resources co-founder and co-chairman Eric Anderson told SPACE.com. "They're just so valuable, and so easy to reach energetically. Near-Earth asteroids really are the low-hanging fruit of the solar system."





Planetary Resources is officially unveiling its asteroid-mining plans at 1:30 p.m. EDT (1730 GMT) Tuesday (April 24) during a news conference at Seattle's Museum of Flight.






Precious metals and water

Two of the resources the company plans to mine are platinum-group metals and water, Anderson said. [Images: Planetary Resources' Asteroid Mining Plans]

Platinum-group metals — ruthenium, rhodium, palladium, osmium, iridium, and platinum — are found in low concentrations on Earth and can be tough to access, which is why they're so expensive. In fact, Anderson said, they don't occur naturally in Earth's crust, having been deposited on our planet over the eons by asteroid impacts.

"We're going to go to the source," Anderson said. "The platinum-group metals are many orders of magnitude easier to access in the high-concentration platinum asteroids than they are in the Earth's crust."

And there are a lot of precious metals up there waiting to be mined. A single platinum-rich space rock 1,650 feet (500 meters) wide contains the equivalent of all the platinum-group metals ever mined throughout human history, company officials said.

"When the availability of these metals increase, the cost will reduce on everything including defibrillators, hand-held devices, TV and computer monitors, catalysts," Planetary Resources co-founder and co-chairman Peter Diamandis said in a statement. "And with the abundance of these metals, we’ll be able to use them in mass production, like in automotive fuel cells."





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Many asteroids are rich in water, too, another characteristic the company plans to exploit. Once extracted, this water would be sold in space, providing significant savings over water launched from the ground.

Asteroid water could help astronauts stay hydrated and grow food, provide radiation shielding for spaceships and be broken into its constituent hydrogen and oxygen, the chief components of rocket fuel, Anderson said.

Planetary Resources hopes its mining efforts lead to the establishment of in-space "gas stations" that could help many spacecraft refuel, from Earth-orbiting satellites to Mars-bound vessels.

"We're really talking about enabling the exploration of deep space," Anderson said. "That's what really gets me excited." [Future Visions of Human Spaceflight]

In addition to Page, Planetary Resources counts among its investors Ross Perot Jr., chairman of The Perot Group and son of the former presidential candidate; Eric Schmidt, executive chairman of Google; K. Ram Shriram, Google board of directors founding member; and Charles Simonyi, chairman of Intentional Software Corp., who has taken two tourist flights to the International Space Station.

Cameron serves the company as an adviser, as does former NASA space shuttle astronaut Tom Jones.

Planetary Resources, Inc. plans to send robotic probes out to prospect near-Earth asteroids, gauging their potential stores of water and platinum-group metals.
Credit: Planetary Resources, Inc.
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The plan

The company is not ready to break ground on an asteroid just yet. Before that can happen, it needs to do some in-depth prospecting work.

Of the roughly 8,900 known near-Earth asteroids, perhaps 100 or 150 are water-rich and easier to reach than the surface of the moon, Anderson said. Planetary Resources wants to identify and characterize these top targets before it does anything else.

To that end, it has designed a high-performance, low-cost space telescope that Anderson said should launch to low-Earth orbit within the next 18 to 24 months. This telescope will make observations of its own but also serve as a model for future instruments that will journey near promising asteroids and peer at them in great detail.

The prospecting phase should take a couple of years or so, Anderson added.

"We will then, at that time, determine which of these objects to pursue first for resource extraction, and what mission we'll be facilitating," he said. "Before you decide where to put the gas station, you've got to understand where the trucks are going to be driving by."

Mining activities will be enabled by swarms of unmanned spacecraft, according to company materials. Planetary Resources will focus on near-Earth asteroids, with no immediate plans to extend its reach to the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter or to the surface of the moon, Anderson said.

He declined to estimate when Planetary Resources would begin extracting metals or water from space rocks, saying there are too many variables to lay out a firm timeline. But a recent study sponsored by Caltech's Keck Institute for Space Studies estimated that a 500-ton near-Earth asteroid could be snagged and dragged to the moon's orbit by 2025, at a cost of about $2.6 billion.

Whatever Planetary Resources' exact schedule may be, Anderson said the company is already well on its way to making things happen.

"We're out there right now, talking to customers," Anderson said. "We are open for discussions with companies — aerospace companies, mining companies, prospecting companies, resource companies. We're out working in that field, to really open up the solar system for business."
 
Extraterrestrial Mining Could Reap Riches & Spur Exploration
by Leonard David, Space.com's Space Insider Columnist | June 25, 2012 07:00am ET
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In-space fuel depot to house pre-processed lunar propellant courtesy of the Shackleton Energy Co.
Credit: Bill Stone/Shackleton Energy Companyasteroids could alter the course of human history, adding trillions of dollars to the world economy and spurring our species' spread out into the solar system, a new breed of space enterpreneur says.

A number of private companies — such as the billionaire-backed asteroid-mining firm Planetary Resources — aim to start making all of this happen. But it won't be easy, as hitting extraterrestrial paydirt requires melding the know-how of the space and mining communities.

A Space Resources Roundtable meeting was held here June 4-7 to talk about the future of extraterrestrial resource extraction — its promise as well as the challenges involved.

The conference was convened by the Planetary and Terrestrial Mining Sciences Symposium, in collaboration with Colorado School of Mines and the Lunar and Planetary Institute. [Photos: Planetary Resources to Mine Asteroids]


Testing in the field

Establishing a "cis-lunar highway" is on the agenda of Shackleton Energy Co.

By 2020, Shackleton hopes to become the world’s foremost space-based energy company, providing rocket propellant, life support, consumables and services in low Earth-orbit and on the moon to spacefarers. The firm's plan calls for using a mix of astronauts and advanced robotic systems to provide an ongoing and reliable supply of rocket fuel to customers in space.

Shackleton wants to establish off-Earth fuel depots, which would allow spaceships to refill their tanks on the go. The company hopes to stock these depots by mining the water ice in permanently shadowed lunar craters. (Water can be broken down into its constituent hydrogen and oxygen, the chief components of rocket fuel.)

"The meeting provided a comprehensive review of the state of the art of space resources analysis and extraction," said Jim Keravala, Shackleton's chief operating officer. "The opportunity for the community to come together, exchange ideas and establish partnerships proved valuable as the time draws near when all these techniques will be tested in the field." [Photos: Searching for Water on the Moon]


Interceptor missions will allow Planetary Resources to quickly acquire data on several near-Earth asteroids, stepping up the likelihood of prospecting these objects for their volatile, mineral and metallic resources.
Credit: Planetary Resources


Asteroid mining

The April launch of Planetary Resources was beyond the wildest dreams of those who created the group, said Chris Lewicki, the company's president and chief engineer. Public and investment interest in the firm has been overwhelming since its official unveiling, he said.

The company counts several billionaires among its backers, including Google moguls Larry Page and Eric Schmidt. Filmmaker and adventurer James Cameron is one of a number of high-profile Planetary Resources advisers.

The technology now exists to access resources from near-Earth asteroids, and Planetary Resources' mission is to make that happen, Lewicki said.

"It’s a shooting gallery out there…and there’s a lot out there in our favor," Lewicki told roundtable attendees. "Yes, we’re the asteroid mining company, but it’s a lot more than that."

Planetary Resources hopes its mining activities help spur a broader space economy, one in which many different companies are involved in space tourism, space-based solar power and off-planet resource extraction, Lewicki said.

The central, long-term aim of Planetary Resources, Lewicki said, is "taking the economic sphere of influence of all of us and moving it beyond the geostationary belt…which is where it currently, abruptly stops."

Tipping point?

All of this could happen sooner than many people think.

"We may be teetering on the brink of a tipping point," said Leslie Gertsch, deputy director of the Rock Mechanics & Explosives Research Center at the Missouri University of Science and Technology.

"Whether it’s truly a speedup, after decades of frustrated dreaming, or just a bump in the upward climb, the next five to 10 years will tell," she told SPACE.com.

Gertsch said that companies like Shackleton and Planetary Resources will "either grow to become actual resource producers…or fade into wannabe oblivion."

She noted that such groups appear to be planning more carefully than many have done previously, with much of the hand-waving replaced by viable business plans and systematic prospecting ideas.

Still, there’s more work to do. For instance, what’s the true value of a hefty asteroid — say, one 1,650 feet (500 meters) wide? At the moment, it's tough to say. It depends on the asteroid’s composition throughout, not just on its surface, Gertsch said.

"That sort of detail isn’t mundane … it’s utterly crucial," Gertsch added. No mining company can succeed unless it understands what is available. That is, where are the deposits, and which ones are extractable? What can they sell and what are the markets?

"At last serious groups of smart people are focusing on getting down to business for real," Gertsch said.



NASA and its international partners have used Mauna Kea — a remote and cold dormant volcano on the Big Island of Hawaii — for equipment testing to advance future space exploration, particularly honing the expertise for on-the-spot extraction and utilization of local resources.
Credit: NASA/Amber Philman


Investor-friendly environment

The roundtable produced a number of take-home messages, said Rob Mueller, a senior technologist in the Surface Systems Office at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

One of these is the need for a clarified legal situation, so there's no question about who owns resources extracted from asteroids or other celestial bodies.

"There is a shift in the space resources community towards more private industry involvement with a heavy emphasis on profit incentives," Mueller said. "The private companies need a legal framework that allows them to operate in an investor-friendly environment to minimize the legislative risk."

In this regard, Mueller said, a good analogy would be the early days of Alaskan mining when the legal framework was not clear, since Alaska had just been purchased from Russia and was not a state as yet. California had the same problem, he said.

Another message is the need to send out some bona fide prospecting probes to get things going.

"The next logical step is to land on the moon with a prospecting mission to confirm the presence of water, locate it and characterize its physical state," Mueller told SPACE.com.

Mueller mentioned the Regolith and Environment Science and Oxygen and Lunar Volatile Extraction, or RESOLVE, hardware, built to prospect for water and other volatiles on the moon’s surface. RESOLVE is a joint project of NASA and the Canadian Space Agency.

"It is looking for a ride, and a prototype is being tested on Mauna Kea in Hawaii this July," Mueller said.

NASA can’t afford not to invest in in-situ resource utilization, Mueller emphasized, since its goal is to land humans on Mars and the space agency’s Design Reference Architecture relies on in-situ resource utilization to make it feasible.

"ISRU could also open up a new economic sphere of influence, which could be strategically important in the future," Mueller concluded. [Future Visions of Human Spaceflight]

Control-Alt-Delete

Kurt Sacksteder, chief of the Space Environment and Experiments Branch at NASA’s Glenn Research Center in Ohio, asked an intriguing question at the roundtable: Inserting space resources into the future of space exploration — do we need Control-Alt-Delete?

"It seems increasingly likely that the resources for fully implementing exploration visions will never be provided at a rate sufficient to make progress," Sacksteder said. "Existing NASA exploration architectures may never be funded for realization as envisioned."

Another key question is whether — and how — the emergence of serious private investment changes the role of government in space, Sacksteder said.

"Aggressive, well-financed private investment may be enabled by re-directed government attention to high-risk technology development and carefully designed space infrastructure," Sacksteder said. "Such a paradigm shift will need a lot of work to teach its value."

'A whole different game'

The Space Resources Roundtable has been meeting for more than a decade, but this year's gathering was different, attendees said.

"This is the first time that we see a larger contingency of the private sector coming here," said Angel Abbud-Madrid, director of the Center for Space Resources at the Colorado School of Mines here in Golden.

"It used to be that we would get all the NASA people discussing what the plans are and how we can contribute to that. But now it’s a whole different game….now it’s how can we get the private sector involved in all of this that we’ve been talking about for so long," Abbud-Madrid said.

Also, getting the government to appreciate the role that the private sector can play is key, Abbud-Madrid said. "I think that more and more, they are going to be taken more seriously…and that helps both sides."

Leonard David has been reporting on the space industry for more than five decades. He is a winner of last year's National Space Club Press Award and a past editor-in-chief of the National Space Society's Ad Astra and Space World magazines. He has written for SPACE.com since 1999.
 
SpaceX says Falcon 9 rocket is undamaged after historic landing

SpaceX made history last month when it landed a Falcon 9 rocket after launching its payload into orbit. Company CEO Elon Musk now reports that the rocket appears to be undamaged by its trip to space and back. While it looks like the rocket could easily be refurbished to fly again, that’s not the plan right now. SpaceX wants to keep this rocket on the ground as a memento — well, also for testing and study. A few new images of the recovered rocket have been posted as well.


Before and after launch.
 
No hace falta, la minería la va a acelerar mucho.

Ahora todos están desarrollando capsulas y cohetes pesados, mandando sondas para identificar sitios de interés. Luego quieren todos asentarse permanentemente en la Luna, mandar maquinaria y extraer agua para hacer combustible para ir a Marte y el cinturón de asteroides.
Mientras, ya están planeando seriamente capturar asteroides y experimentar el reposicionamiento.

Ésto termina con China, Rusia, USA, India, la UE haciendo prospección y reclamando los derechos de explotación por descubrimiento. Las empresas metiendo guita, estaciones espaciales que hagan de puerto entre la Tierra y Luna, la Luna un base de combustibles y en órbita se ensamblarán las misiones a Marte y el cinturón y los asteroides van a empezar a traerse a la órbita terrestre alta para ser minados con grandes cápsulas haciendo reentrada con cargas de puro oro, platino, cadmio, uranio, etc.

Mira como experimento, para acumular conocimientos, todo esta bien, ahora desde el punto de vista netamente económico, me parece que aun no dan los números, ahora si me hablas de algún material desconocido inexistente en la tabla periódica etc. es otro cantar, siempre que las propiedades de este material tengan utilidad.-
 
Sabés la plata que pueden inyectar asteroides que están valuados en 10 a 80 billones de dólares.
No por nada hay varias empresas y multimillonarios invirtiendo en ésto.
La abundancia de éstos materiales al punto de ser inagotables llevaría a la humanidad a una edad de oro. Todos esos recursos serían billones inyectados en la economía que de otra manera no estarían.

Leé los artículos de arriba.
 
Sabés la plata que pueden inyectar asteroides que están valuados en 10 a 80 billones de dólares.
No por nada hay varias empresas y multimillonarios invirtiendo en ésto.
La abundancia de éstos materiales al punto de ser inagotables llevaría a la humanidad a una edad de oro. Todos esos recursos serían billones inyectados en la economía que de otra manera no estarían.

Leé los artículos de arriba.

Ojo con la malas traducciones. 80 billones es un disparate de guita. Es 5 veces todo el PIB de USA o 150 veces el nuestro. No tiene sentido. Seguramente quiere decir 80 mil millones de U$D.
 
Si bueno, pero indiscutiblemente, poder traer recursos inexistentes a inyectarlos al mercado genera riqueza. Los recursos son riqueza, su transformación genera riqueza.
Como ya puse, en los próximos 50 años varios metales en la Tierra comenzarán a tener caídas de producción y los precios van a empezar a subir y subir. Ya mismo hoy sino fuese por el reciclado habría serios problemas para sostener la oferta en condiciones de abastecer la demanda.
 

baldusi

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Si uno tiene que invertir mas riqueza de la que se trae, se destruye riqueza. Hoy por hoy no estamos ni cerca de los precios (tanto lanzamiento espacial como costo de extracción terrestre) para que la ecuación sea positiva.
Y respecto a los elementos siempre hay tres opciones cuando se agotan las reservas conocidas:
1) Buscar nuevas reservas (notar lo que paso con el pretroleo a 100usd/bbl).
2) Reciclar.
3) Reemplazar el elemento.
En mi experiencia nada de lo que me enseñaron en los 90 que se acababa para el 2020 esta remotamente cerca de acabarse. Simplemente sube el precio y pasan las tres cosas que dije arriba simultáneamente.

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No cuando la demanda es creciente y en ciertos casos exponencialmente y la oferta es decreciente.
Cada año que pasa las economías en desarrollo demandan más y más, mientras que los hallazgos de nuevas reservas están estancados y las explotaciones están al límite de producción con algunos en declive.

Y la abundancia también podría generar una explosión productiva en la cual se construyan cosas como nunca.
 

baldusi

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Y cuando crece la demanda y/o cae la producción por factores exógenos (como el agotamiento de vetas, etc.) sube el precio y cae nuevamente la demanda. No digo que no sea posible encontrar un caso en que sea negocio traer algo del espacio exterior. Pero a menos que tengamos la mágica tecnología de fusión de Expansion (serie DLPM que seriamente recomiendo a todos los amantes de la ciencia ficción dura), no va a pasar en los próximos 50 años.
Ya me comí el verso de que en el 2020 se acababa el petróleo y se terminaba la civilización y resulta que a 75USD/bbl vale la pena buscar petróleo a 4000m bajo el mar o sacarlo, literalmente, de las rocas con el no convencional. Y además resultaba que a ese precio los autos eléctricos no solo son competitivos sino que hay cosas que son mejores que el 99% de los que usan combustibles fósiles como el Tesla S. Y los motores ganaron en eficiencia una barbaridad. Y resultó ser negocio poner un panel solar en tu casa. Y un millón de cosas. De hecho, cuando entren a la civilización moderna los 2millardos de chinos e hindúes que están postegados (más otro millardo y medio del resto del mundo) van a entrar con las nuevas tecnología y con lo que va a tener unos rendimientos de escala que hoy no nos imaginamos.
Repito, si, es teóricamente posible traer insumos del espacio exterior. Si, en algún caso de cornisa hasta puede ser negocio. Con la tecnología de hoy simplemente no lo veo por los próximos 50 años.
 

Sebastian

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Rusia planea crear un motor de cohete en base a metano

© Sputnik/ Ramil Sitdikov

06:49 14.01.2016URL corto

La agencia estatal de Espacio rusa planea elaborar próximamente un motor de misil que funcionará en base al gas natural, informa el diario Izvestia el jueves.
"Estamos planeando crear un modelo demostrativo del motor en base a metano tomando en cuenta que no está previsto construir un portador con este motor", declaró uno de los creadores del proyecto, citado por el periódico.

Rusia crea un motor para un avión aeroespacial en desarrollo
La fuente comentó que el invento persigue el objetivo de "no ceder a los competidores extranjeros en cuanto a las tecnologías".
Originalmente estaba planeado equipar el cohete Fenix con motores del metano, sin embargo, más tarde se tomó la decisión de volver a la idea de crear uno ruso, Zenit, con el motor modernizado del modelo RD171.

Según el periódico, la financiación para elaboración de motores en base al combustible de oxígeno e hidrógeno supone un total de más de 25.000 millones de rublos, equivalente a 327,1 millones de dólares, y está prevista en el programa espacial federal para los años 2016-2015.
http://mundo.sputniknews.com/prensa/20160114/1055690552/rusia-motor-metano.html#ixzz3xBi8cMns
 

baldusi

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Estuve revisando el artículo original de Izvestia. Esta es una entrevista hecha a gente de NPO Energomash. La gente de RSC Progress (los fabricantes del cohete Soyuz), están apostando fuerte al Soyuz-5, que usa GNL en sus dos etapas. Y la motorización, es de KhKbA (quien fabricase los motores de las etapas superiores del Soyuz y el Proton). En la primer etapa vana usar el RD-0164 y en la segunda etapa un RD-0168. Por favor noten que los motores de NPO Energomash son RD-XXX y los de KhKbA son RD-0XXX.
La cuestión es que en la consolidación NPO Energomash quedó adentro de RSC Energyia y KhKbA dentro de Khrunichev. RSC Progress por ahora está "independiente" (todos pertenecen al Estado Ruso) y se la jugó por KhKbA. Así que claramente NPO Energomash está peleando para que los tengan en cuenta porque el Zenit está, en la práctica, retirado (chau RD-171M), el Atlas V va a migrar al Vulcan en seis años (con lo que pierden el negocio del RD-180), Khrunichev Omsk (Polyot NP) va a producir el RD-191 en tres años y, en definitiva, necesitan trabajo o funden biela.

Rusia planea crear un motor de cohete en base a metano

© Sputnik/ Ramil Sitdikov

06:49 14.01.2016URL corto

La agencia estatal de Espacio rusa planea elaborar próximamente un motor de misil que funcionará en base al gas natural, informa el diario Izvestia el jueves.
"Estamos planeando crear un modelo demostrativo del motor en base a metano tomando en cuenta que no está previsto construir un portador con este motor", declaró uno de los creadores del proyecto, citado por el periódico.

Rusia crea un motor para un avión aeroespacial en desarrollo
La fuente comentó que el invento persigue el objetivo de "no ceder a los competidores extranjeros en cuanto a las tecnologías".
Originalmente estaba planeado equipar el cohete Fenix con motores del metano, sin embargo, más tarde se tomó la decisión de volver a la idea de crear uno ruso, Zenit, con el motor modernizado del modelo RD171.

Según el periódico, la financiación para elaboración de motores en base al combustible de oxígeno e hidrógeno supone un total de más de 25.000 millones de rublos, equivalente a 327,1 millones de dólares, y está prevista en el programa espacial federal para los años 2016-2015.
http://mundo.sputniknews.com/prensa/20160114/1055690552/rusia-motor-metano.html#ixzz3xBi8cMns
 
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