¿Desarrollo de misil anti tanque en CITEFA?
- Tema iniciado liolalia
- Fecha de inicio
Y... eso es lo ideal que pegue de arriba ( el techo de los tanques es la parte más débil, no la puedeb sobrecargar por razones obvias)
Ademas un ataque cenital, deja de lado los sistemas TRHOPY, y si se modificaran para realizar lanzamientos por arriba, los fragmentos y municiones saldrian sobre propia tropa, por eso los ataques desde arriba me parcen mucho mas economicos.
Del vamos que soy un lego, y me estoy aprovechando que no esta don ARMISAEL, para darme un tunda, pero.... el lanzamiento seria desde zona de seguridad, la emision de humo podria ser a mas de 4/5km, calculando la trayectoria balistica, debe llegar a 8km aprox. el aparato sube hasta arriba hasta consumir todo el combustible y hace una reentrada balistica, ahi jugarian o ..camara de tv por emision de radio, cable no por la distancia, secker IR, algo que lo haga detonar a determinada distancia del piso y no recuerdo su nombre, firma magnetica? o los tres elementos, digo porque un tanque buena cantidad de metal es, debe mover de seguro una brujula.
El guiado de un misil por sobrevuelo es mucho mas complicado y esta expuesto no solo a medidas activas sino a obstaculos naturales, creo que para que este vuele horizontalmente necesita un giroscopo para mantenerse estable, un aparato de caida libre no.
Del vamos que soy un lego, y me estoy aprovechando que no esta don ARMISAEL, para darme un tunda, pero.... el lanzamiento seria desde zona de seguridad, la emision de humo podria ser a mas de 4/5km, calculando la trayectoria balistica, debe llegar a 8km aprox. el aparato sube hasta arriba hasta consumir todo el combustible y hace una reentrada balistica, ahi jugarian o ..camara de tv por emision de radio, cable no por la distancia, secker IR, algo que lo haga detonar a determinada distancia del piso y no recuerdo su nombre, firma magnetica? o los tres elementos, digo porque un tanque buena cantidad de metal es, debe mover de seguro una brujula.
El guiado de un misil por sobrevuelo es mucho mas complicado y esta expuesto no solo a medidas activas sino a obstaculos naturales, creo que para que este vuele horizontalmente necesita un giroscopo para mantenerse estable, un aparato de caida libre no.
Que desperdicio de dinero. Como si los que dispararon el kasam se quedaran a esperar que los maten...
Te parece?
Y si en vez de tirar uno piensan tirar 2?
O mejor, si en ves de un Qassam es algo que requiera un poco mas de tiempo para cambiar de precision?, digamos, un minuto, son kaput.
Me parece que el arma en si, mas alla de donde sea pensada ser usada es un concepto interesante.
No necesitas arriesgar gente para hacer una especie de "contra bateria" y los tiempos de reaccion al ser automatizado deben ser un salto enorme a lo tradicional.
Habria que ver las especificaciones tecnicas.
Y si en vez de tirar uno piensan tirar 2?
O mejor, si en ves de un Qassam es algo que requiera un poco mas de tiempo para cambiar de precision?, digamos, un minuto, son kaput.
Me parece que el arma en si, mas alla de donde sea pensada ser usada es un concepto interesante.
No necesitas arriesgar gente para hacer una especie de "contra bateria" y los tiempos de reaccion al ser automatizado deben ser un salto enorme a lo tradicional.
Habria que ver las especificaciones tecnicas.
Duwa
Master of the Universe.
Unos datos sobre el sistema Jumper que me parece que no estan en el foro:
srael also beat the U.S. to the punch with longer range NLOS missiles. For over a decade, the U.S. had been developing the "NetFires" system. But earlier this year, an Israeli firm revealed the "Jumper" system, which puts eight missiles, and a control unit in a nine (3x3) cell box (cargo type container) measuring 1.4x1.4x2 meters tall (4.3x4.3x6.2 feet). Each 129 pound (63 kg), 150mm guided missile is nearly six feet (1.8m) long and has a range of 50 kilometers. The missile uses GPS and laser seeker for guidance.
The U.S. Army NetFires (or NLOS-LS) is actually two different missiles, identical in weight and size, but different in how they operate. The main one is PAM (Precision Attack Missile). This is a 178mm diameter missile that weighs 120 pounds, and has a range of 40 kilometers. PAM attacks from above, with a 28 pound warhead. This enables it to kill any tank by hitting the thinner top armor. This warhead would also sink a small boat, especially one carrying a suicide bomber. PAM uses a GPS, imaging infrared (seeks a particular shape down there) or laser seeker.
PAMs are vertically-launched, from a 4x6x4 foot (wide x deep x high) 1.5 ton cargo container. The missiles are shipped from the factory in this sealed container. Each container holds 15 missiles and can be carried on the back of a truck, or a ship.
Both systems allow for the container to be just moved to a suitable launching area, where the missiles can be launched remotely, as needed. The NetFires will be available in two years, while Jumper is available now. This stuff is not cheap, with each missile costing over $50,000.
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htart/articles/20091130.aspx
Saludos
srael also beat the U.S. to the punch with longer range NLOS missiles. For over a decade, the U.S. had been developing the "NetFires" system. But earlier this year, an Israeli firm revealed the "Jumper" system, which puts eight missiles, and a control unit in a nine (3x3) cell box (cargo type container) measuring 1.4x1.4x2 meters tall (4.3x4.3x6.2 feet). Each 129 pound (63 kg), 150mm guided missile is nearly six feet (1.8m) long and has a range of 50 kilometers. The missile uses GPS and laser seeker for guidance.
The U.S. Army NetFires (or NLOS-LS) is actually two different missiles, identical in weight and size, but different in how they operate. The main one is PAM (Precision Attack Missile). This is a 178mm diameter missile that weighs 120 pounds, and has a range of 40 kilometers. PAM attacks from above, with a 28 pound warhead. This enables it to kill any tank by hitting the thinner top armor. This warhead would also sink a small boat, especially one carrying a suicide bomber. PAM uses a GPS, imaging infrared (seeks a particular shape down there) or laser seeker.
PAMs are vertically-launched, from a 4x6x4 foot (wide x deep x high) 1.5 ton cargo container. The missiles are shipped from the factory in this sealed container. Each container holds 15 missiles and can be carried on the back of a truck, or a ship.
Both systems allow for the container to be just moved to a suitable launching area, where the missiles can be launched remotely, as needed. The NetFires will be available in two years, while Jumper is available now. This stuff is not cheap, with each missile costing over $50,000.
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htart/articles/20091130.aspx
Saludos
S
SnAkE_OnE
los misiles rusos de obsoleto no tienen nada...mucho menos la tecnologia AT
Delfin
Forista Sancionado o Expulsado
Duwa say: (en-foto-tizando)
"JAGM Gets Spiked
November 30, 2009: Israeli arms manufacturers have, once again, shown up their American counterparts. This time it's with a new version of the Israeli Spike missile, one with a range of 25 kilometers. This version weighs 155 pounds (70kg), twice what the current largest version of Spike weighs. Spike is a series of anti-tank (or whatever) missiles with ranges from 200 - 8,000 meters. The 25 kilometers version is called Spike NLOS (Non Line-Of-Sight), meaning that can be fired at a target the operator cannot see (but someone else, with a laser designator, can see).
The U.S. tried to develop a missile like this (the JCM, or Joint Common Missile), but the development failed and JCM was cancelled three years ago. A new efforts, JAGM, was begun (to replace current BGM-71 TOW, AGM-114 Hellfire and AGM-65 Maverick missiles). To that end, JAGM will have twice the range of Hellfire (16 kilometers, instead of the current eight) and a seeker using three different technologies (radar, heat sensing and laser). The explosives in the 20 pound warhead will be less sensitive (and less subject to accidental detonation). JAGM is not expected to be ready for service for another eight years, assuming it survives development.
NLOS-LS Truck (LS = Launch System)
Israel also beat the U.S. to the punch with longer range NLOS missiles. For over a decade, the U.S. had been developing the "NetFires" system. But earlier this year, an Israeli firm revealed the "Jumper" system, which puts eight missiles, and a control unit in a nine (3x3) cell box (cargo type container) measuring 1.4x1.4x2 meters tall (4.3x4.3x6.2 feet). Each 129 pound (63 kg), 150mm guided missile is nearly six feet (1.8m) long and has a range of 50 kilometers. The missile uses GPS and laser seeker for guidance.
The U.S. Army NetFires (or NLOS-LS) is actually two different missiles, identical in weight and size, but different in how they operate.
The main one is PAM (Precision Attack Missile). This is a 178mm diameter missile that weighs 120 pounds, and has a range of 40 kilometers. PAM attacks from above, with a 28 pound warhead. This enables it to kill any tank by hitting the thinner top armor. This warhead would also sink a small boat, especially one carrying a suicide bomber. PAM uses a GPS, imaging infrared (seeks a particular shape down there) or laser seeker. PAMs are vertically-launched, from a 4x6x4 foot (wide x deep x high) 1.5 ton cargo container. The missiles are shipped from the factory in this sealed container. Each container holds 15 missiles and can be carried on the back of a truck, or a ship.
Both systems allow for the container to be just moved to a suitable launching area, where the missiles can be launched remotely, as needed. The NetFires will be available in two years, while Jumper is available now. This stuff is not cheap, with each missile costing over $50,000"
Fuente: http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htart/articles/20091130.aspx
Ver también: http://www.defpro.com/news/details/8740/
Related articles:
Captive Flight Test Moves Raytheon and Lockheed's NLOS-LS Closer to U.S. Navy Live Fire Testing
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/7175/
NLOS-LS team's precision attack missile successfully completes another test flight
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/4582/
NLOS-LS team completes second guided test flight of precision attack missile
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/4316/
Guided NLOS-LS precision attack missile scores direct hit against a T-72 tank
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/3986/
For more news, please enter "NLOS-LS" in the advanced search at http://www.defpro.com/news/details.http://www./
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=134193
"NLOS-LS in the Army Evaluation Task Force (AETF)
Chief Warrant Officer Four (Retired) Robert A. Nelson
Lieutenant Colonel William E. Field, AC
The Army is pursuing the most comprehensive transformation of its forces since World War II. This transformation process is shaping the military. Driving the transformation are new concepts, capabilities and organizations intended to ensure a strategically responsive, campaign-quality force to dominate in full-spectrum operations.
As part of this transformation, the Army will field selected future combat systems (FCS) capabilities to its operational forces through a concept called “spin outs.” Spin outs accelerate the fielding of capabilities to today’s modular forces before the first FCS brigade combat team (FBCT) is activated in 2015.
Spin Out 1 consists of two FCS technologies: unattended ground sensors (UGS) and the non-line-of-sight launch system (NLOS-LS). UGS is comprised of the urban UGS (U-UGS) and the tactical UGS (T-UGS). U-UGS is a hand-emplaced series of sensor nodes that allow Soldiers to monitor a variety of urban spaces, including cleared or closely clustered buildings. T-UGS, which is also hand-emplaced, is a series of sensor nodes that allow the commander to monitor a variety of different terrains.
The second technology and the focus of this article is NLOS-LS. This article provides an overview of NLOS-LS’ capabilities and briefly describes its employment and integration into the Army Evaluation Task Force (AETF), a uniquely modified heavy brigade combat team (HBCT) at Fort Bliss, Texas.
NLOS-LS will be part of the FBCT’s fires battalion, and, for the first time, the BCT commander will have a precision guided munition (PGM) organic to his brigade in the form of a missile that can kill moving and other targets at a range of 40 kilometers.
AETF Initial Spin Out 1 work in 2008 consists of fielding prototypes for testing and evaluation. Assuming successful testing and evaluation of Spin Out 1, the capabilities will be fielded to current force units beginning in 2010. The AETF’s overall interactive development, integration and verification of Spin Out 1 capabilities will demonstrate the readiness to progress through additional spin out phases, ultimately, leading to the fielding of the FBCT in 2015. "
En pocas palabras: controlarán áreas urbanas y rurales mediante sensores instalables manualmente y ... con misiles NLOS... destruirán blancos estáticos o en movimiento "a distancia!"
"JAGM Gets Spiked
November 30, 2009: Israeli arms manufacturers have, once again, shown up their American counterparts. This time it's with a new version of the Israeli Spike missile, one with a range of 25 kilometers. This version weighs 155 pounds (70kg), twice what the current largest version of Spike weighs. Spike is a series of anti-tank (or whatever) missiles with ranges from 200 - 8,000 meters. The 25 kilometers version is called Spike NLOS (Non Line-Of-Sight), meaning that can be fired at a target the operator cannot see (but someone else, with a laser designator, can see).
The U.S. tried to develop a missile like this (the JCM, or Joint Common Missile), but the development failed and JCM was cancelled three years ago. A new efforts, JAGM, was begun (to replace current BGM-71 TOW, AGM-114 Hellfire and AGM-65 Maverick missiles). To that end, JAGM will have twice the range of Hellfire (16 kilometers, instead of the current eight) and a seeker using three different technologies (radar, heat sensing and laser). The explosives in the 20 pound warhead will be less sensitive (and less subject to accidental detonation). JAGM is not expected to be ready for service for another eight years, assuming it survives development.
NLOS-LS Truck (LS = Launch System)
Israel also beat the U.S. to the punch with longer range NLOS missiles. For over a decade, the U.S. had been developing the "NetFires" system. But earlier this year, an Israeli firm revealed the "Jumper" system, which puts eight missiles, and a control unit in a nine (3x3) cell box (cargo type container) measuring 1.4x1.4x2 meters tall (4.3x4.3x6.2 feet). Each 129 pound (63 kg), 150mm guided missile is nearly six feet (1.8m) long and has a range of 50 kilometers. The missile uses GPS and laser seeker for guidance.
The U.S. Army NetFires (or NLOS-LS) is actually two different missiles, identical in weight and size, but different in how they operate.
- LAM (Loitering Attack Missile
- PAM (Precision Attack Misile
The main one is PAM (Precision Attack Missile). This is a 178mm diameter missile that weighs 120 pounds, and has a range of 40 kilometers. PAM attacks from above, with a 28 pound warhead. This enables it to kill any tank by hitting the thinner top armor. This warhead would also sink a small boat, especially one carrying a suicide bomber. PAM uses a GPS, imaging infrared (seeks a particular shape down there) or laser seeker. PAMs are vertically-launched, from a 4x6x4 foot (wide x deep x high) 1.5 ton cargo container. The missiles are shipped from the factory in this sealed container. Each container holds 15 missiles and can be carried on the back of a truck, or a ship.
Both systems allow for the container to be just moved to a suitable launching area, where the missiles can be launched remotely, as needed. The NetFires will be available in two years, while Jumper is available now. This stuff is not cheap, with each missile costing over $50,000"
Fuente: http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htart/articles/20091130.aspx
Ver también: http://www.defpro.com/news/details/8740/
Related articles:
Captive Flight Test Moves Raytheon and Lockheed's NLOS-LS Closer to U.S. Navy Live Fire Testing
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/7175/
NLOS-LS team's precision attack missile successfully completes another test flight
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/4582/
NLOS-LS team completes second guided test flight of precision attack missile
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/4316/
Guided NLOS-LS precision attack missile scores direct hit against a T-72 tank
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/3986/
For more news, please enter "NLOS-LS" in the advanced search at http://www.defpro.com/news/details.http://www./
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=134193
"NLOS-LS in the Army Evaluation Task Force (AETF)
Chief Warrant Officer Four (Retired) Robert A. Nelson
Lieutenant Colonel William E. Field, AC
The Army is pursuing the most comprehensive transformation of its forces since World War II. This transformation process is shaping the military. Driving the transformation are new concepts, capabilities and organizations intended to ensure a strategically responsive, campaign-quality force to dominate in full-spectrum operations.
As part of this transformation, the Army will field selected future combat systems (FCS) capabilities to its operational forces through a concept called “spin outs.” Spin outs accelerate the fielding of capabilities to today’s modular forces before the first FCS brigade combat team (FBCT) is activated in 2015.
Spin Out 1 consists of two FCS technologies: unattended ground sensors (UGS) and the non-line-of-sight launch system (NLOS-LS). UGS is comprised of the urban UGS (U-UGS) and the tactical UGS (T-UGS). U-UGS is a hand-emplaced series of sensor nodes that allow Soldiers to monitor a variety of urban spaces, including cleared or closely clustered buildings. T-UGS, which is also hand-emplaced, is a series of sensor nodes that allow the commander to monitor a variety of different terrains.
The second technology and the focus of this article is NLOS-LS. This article provides an overview of NLOS-LS’ capabilities and briefly describes its employment and integration into the Army Evaluation Task Force (AETF), a uniquely modified heavy brigade combat team (HBCT) at Fort Bliss, Texas.
NLOS-LS will be part of the FBCT’s fires battalion, and, for the first time, the BCT commander will have a precision guided munition (PGM) organic to his brigade in the form of a missile that can kill moving and other targets at a range of 40 kilometers.
AETF Initial Spin Out 1 work in 2008 consists of fielding prototypes for testing and evaluation. Assuming successful testing and evaluation of Spin Out 1, the capabilities will be fielded to current force units beginning in 2010. The AETF’s overall interactive development, integration and verification of Spin Out 1 capabilities will demonstrate the readiness to progress through additional spin out phases, ultimately, leading to the fielding of the FBCT in 2015. "
En pocas palabras: controlarán áreas urbanas y rurales mediante sensores instalables manualmente y ... con misiles NLOS... destruirán blancos estáticos o en movimiento "a distancia!"
Israel: El armamento del futuro
Israel ya experimenta en el desierto con un novedoso sistema antimisiles. El sistema "Trophy" apunta a neutralizar los misiles antes de que impacten en los tanques militares israelíes. Los expertos dicen que esta tecnología podría marcar un antes y un después en la relación de fuerzas entre Israel y las guerrillas de Hezbolá o Hamas.
El sistema "Trophy" permite detectar y derribar los proyectiles antes de que choquen contra la superficie blindada.
En un terreno arenoso y azotado por el viento, un reducido grupo de científicos ajusta los últimos detalles de un sistema antimisil miniatura que, según Israel, podría cambiar el futuro de la defensa de los tanques.
La nueva tecnología tiene la capacidad de detectar y derribar los proyectiles disparados en contra de los tanques antes de que choquen contra la superficie blindada.
Si los investigadores tienen éxito, el sistema "Trophy" podría alterar drásticamente la relación de fuerzas en una guerra entre Israel y las guerrillas de Hezbolá, en el Líbano, o con milicianos de Hamas, en la Franja de Gaza. También podría afectar los sistemas de defensa de Estados Unidos y las tropas extranjeras en Irak y Afganistán.
"Creo que la gente va a observar cómo los israelíes ponen en funcionamiento esto y verán si pueden dominarlo", señaló John Pike, director del portal GlobalSecurity.org con sede en Alexandria, Virginia.
Se cree que el "Trophy" es el primero de una serie de sistemas de "defensa activa" que alcanza el estado de operatividad. Este tipo de tecnología apunta a neutralizar los misiles antes de que impacten su objetivo. En el pasado, los tanques habían dependido de capas blindadas cada vez más gruesas o tecnología "reactiva" que debilitaban los misiles que se acercaban al provocar una pequeña explosión.
La empresa israelí Rafael, productora del "Trophy", señala que el sistema se ha estado desarrollando por años, pero que la amarga experiencia que tuvo Israel en la guerra con la guerrilla de Hezbolá en el 2006 le dió el empujón final al proyecto.
Los creadores del nuevo sistema señalan que éste puede detener cualquier misil del arsenal de Hezbolá, que destruyó docenas de tanques israelíes y mató a 19 de sus tripulantes durante el mes que duró la guerra.
Fuente: Observadorglobal.com y Aurora Digital
Israel ya experimenta en el desierto con un novedoso sistema antimisiles. El sistema "Trophy" apunta a neutralizar los misiles antes de que impacten en los tanques militares israelíes. Los expertos dicen que esta tecnología podría marcar un antes y un después en la relación de fuerzas entre Israel y las guerrillas de Hezbolá o Hamas.
El sistema "Trophy" permite detectar y derribar los proyectiles antes de que choquen contra la superficie blindada.
En un terreno arenoso y azotado por el viento, un reducido grupo de científicos ajusta los últimos detalles de un sistema antimisil miniatura que, según Israel, podría cambiar el futuro de la defensa de los tanques.
La nueva tecnología tiene la capacidad de detectar y derribar los proyectiles disparados en contra de los tanques antes de que choquen contra la superficie blindada.
Si los investigadores tienen éxito, el sistema "Trophy" podría alterar drásticamente la relación de fuerzas en una guerra entre Israel y las guerrillas de Hezbolá, en el Líbano, o con milicianos de Hamas, en la Franja de Gaza. También podría afectar los sistemas de defensa de Estados Unidos y las tropas extranjeras en Irak y Afganistán.
"Creo que la gente va a observar cómo los israelíes ponen en funcionamiento esto y verán si pueden dominarlo", señaló John Pike, director del portal GlobalSecurity.org con sede en Alexandria, Virginia.
Se cree que el "Trophy" es el primero de una serie de sistemas de "defensa activa" que alcanza el estado de operatividad. Este tipo de tecnología apunta a neutralizar los misiles antes de que impacten su objetivo. En el pasado, los tanques habían dependido de capas blindadas cada vez más gruesas o tecnología "reactiva" que debilitaban los misiles que se acercaban al provocar una pequeña explosión.
La empresa israelí Rafael, productora del "Trophy", señala que el sistema se ha estado desarrollando por años, pero que la amarga experiencia que tuvo Israel en la guerra con la guerrilla de Hezbolá en el 2006 le dió el empujón final al proyecto.
Los creadores del nuevo sistema señalan que éste puede detener cualquier misil del arsenal de Hezbolá, que destruyó docenas de tanques israelíes y mató a 19 de sus tripulantes durante el mes que duró la guerra.
Fuente: Observadorglobal.com y Aurora Digital
Pero este sistema no es una copia/evolución del sistema de defensa activa Arena ? Rusia tiene desarrollado otro sistema activo desde 1983 el Drozd ( http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/ ) y que la ùltima versiòn supuestamente es de la misma calidad que el Arena. El concepto es más que interesante porque los sistemas de misiles y cohetes antitanques son más del 70% de las amenazas de un MBT en los conflictos de hoy.
Saludos
Saludos
Reviviendo muertos, pero prendo la Armisenal, y pregunto, en que quedo el desarrollo del misil anti-tanque que era evolucion del MATVA 2k?
Saludos.
Saludos.
Armi, cual era el estado del proyecto al momento de que esto ocurra? Podrias brevemente comentar de que se trataba?
Gracias!
Saludos.
Estudio de factibilidad, y definición de objetivos de trabajo.
De hecho, estábamos peleando por el correspondiete BAPIN desde 2008 (Familia de Misiles), y nos lo habían aprobado en 2009 para comenzar su ejecución en 2010 (la guita fue luego desviada por Fabre a otras cosas que terminaron en sumarios administrativos).
Saludos.
De hecho, estábamos peleando por el correspondiete BAPIN desde 2008 (Familia de Misiles), y nos lo habían aprobado en 2009 para comenzar su ejecución en 2010 (la guita fue luego desviada por Fabre a otras cosas que terminaron en sumarios administrativos).
Saludos.
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