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Hace instantes llegó un nuevo avión de LATAM Argentina para ser intervenido en nuestras instalaciones. Es el primero que recibimos en 2019 y planificamos trabajar en más de 40 durante este año!!! #FAdeAOrgulloArgentino #UnSueñoEnMarcha
41 min ·
Hace instantes llegó un nuevo avión de LATAM Argentina para ser intervenido en nuestras instalaciones. Es el primero que recibimos en 2019 y planificamos trabajar en más de 40 durante este año!!! #FAdeAOrgulloArgentino #UnSueñoEnMarcha
Yo sabía que lo había leído antes.... esta nota es del 17 de mayo de 2015.
El link es este, la página no está más on-line tienen que verla usando la wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/2018061...mple-of-another-misplaced-priorities-for-iaf/
Reproduzco el artículo:
Scorpion jet offer example of another misplaced Priorities for IAF?
Published May 17, 2015 | By admin
SOURCE: Vishal Asolkar / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG
Replying to Request For Information (RFI) issued by Indian Air force for an Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT), US defense company Textron has offered Scorpion light attack aircraft which can double as a light attack aircraft .
U.S. Defense Secretary Ashton Carter who is expected to visit India will be making another attempt on IAF’s requirement and will be re-offering Us made tactical aircraft for sale during his two-day visit to the subcontinent in June under Defense Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI).
What should be a concern to HAL is that Indian Airforce Chief Arup Raha has allegedly expressed interest in using the plane as an intermediate jet trainer due to repeated delays to the HAL HJT-36 Sitara jet trainer aircraft, currently being developed by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).
Scorpion jet designed as a low-cost strike/intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) aircraft is technologically more advance aircraft when it comes to meet requirements for Indian air force’s Stage-II Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) and at least on paper performance of the Scorpion jets exceeds performance of Hawk Mk.132 AJTs used by IAF in Stage-III of Pilot training .
How can an Aircraft which is superior to Stage-III aircraft of Pilot training program can be placed lower at Stage-II as Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) is a Puzzle only Indian air force can answer while offer or Interest does not always mean possible Point of sale, but it does raise question about Indian air force Priorities when it comes choosing Indigenous product over Imported offers.
Scorpion jets are powered by twin turbofan engines generating 8000lbs (35.5Kn) of thrust which are much more powerful than the Single engine powered Mk.132 AJTs. Scorpion is also much better aircraft to be used in light attack roles then Mk.132 AJTs.
Scorpion light attack aircraft have been developed for irregular warfare like border patrol, maritime surveillance , counter-narcotics , simple explanation could be its ideal aircraft to be operated in Combat Zone which don’t have credible air defense systems to pose a threat to the aircraft .
Intermediate Jet Trainer aircrafts used by IAF in its training program is not widely followed program, Many Advance air-force use Supersonic Lead-in fighter training (LIFT) aircrafts for Stage-III training and AJT in Stage-II or use Combination of Ground Simulators and Basic trainers which means not many aircrafts are designed as Intermediate Jet Trainers which lead to very few even responding to Request For Information (RFI) issued by IAF .
Fabrica Militar de Aviones (FMA) an Argentinian Company was another company which responded to IAF’s RFI and offered FMA IA 63 Pampa “Phase 3 aircrafts but aircraft offered is technically much more inferior to HJT-36 Sitara which has been developed by HAL and might have not interested by IAF .
HJT-36 Sitara is designed keeping IAF’s requirements in mind for IJT role which is unique to IAF’s Pilot training program. Sitara doesn’t exceed performances of Mk.132 AJT but exceeds in performance to Basic Trainer Aircraft (BTA) like Pilatus PC- 7 Mk II aircrafts which are used in Stage-I.
It will be Interesting to see how IAF will utilize Scorpion aircrafts in its training program if it decides to buy them. Will it downgrade Mk.132 to be used as Stage-II aircraft and place Scorpion as Stage-III aircraft virtually killing of Indigenous HJT-36 Sitara aircraft or Eliminate Stage-II program and use Both Aircraft’s in as Stage-III aircrafts till Sitara is ready, but then Question will remain why Buy Scorpion aircrafts at the first place?
El link es este, la página no está más on-line tienen que verla usando la wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/2018061...mple-of-another-misplaced-priorities-for-iaf/
Reproduzco el artículo:
Scorpion jet offer example of another misplaced Priorities for IAF?
Published May 17, 2015 | By admin
SOURCE: Vishal Asolkar / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG
Replying to Request For Information (RFI) issued by Indian Air force for an Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT), US defense company Textron has offered Scorpion light attack aircraft which can double as a light attack aircraft .
U.S. Defense Secretary Ashton Carter who is expected to visit India will be making another attempt on IAF’s requirement and will be re-offering Us made tactical aircraft for sale during his two-day visit to the subcontinent in June under Defense Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI).
What should be a concern to HAL is that Indian Airforce Chief Arup Raha has allegedly expressed interest in using the plane as an intermediate jet trainer due to repeated delays to the HAL HJT-36 Sitara jet trainer aircraft, currently being developed by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).
Scorpion jet designed as a low-cost strike/intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) aircraft is technologically more advance aircraft when it comes to meet requirements for Indian air force’s Stage-II Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) and at least on paper performance of the Scorpion jets exceeds performance of Hawk Mk.132 AJTs used by IAF in Stage-III of Pilot training .
How can an Aircraft which is superior to Stage-III aircraft of Pilot training program can be placed lower at Stage-II as Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) is a Puzzle only Indian air force can answer while offer or Interest does not always mean possible Point of sale, but it does raise question about Indian air force Priorities when it comes choosing Indigenous product over Imported offers.
Scorpion jets are powered by twin turbofan engines generating 8000lbs (35.5Kn) of thrust which are much more powerful than the Single engine powered Mk.132 AJTs. Scorpion is also much better aircraft to be used in light attack roles then Mk.132 AJTs.
Scorpion light attack aircraft have been developed for irregular warfare like border patrol, maritime surveillance , counter-narcotics , simple explanation could be its ideal aircraft to be operated in Combat Zone which don’t have credible air defense systems to pose a threat to the aircraft .
Intermediate Jet Trainer aircrafts used by IAF in its training program is not widely followed program, Many Advance air-force use Supersonic Lead-in fighter training (LIFT) aircrafts for Stage-III training and AJT in Stage-II or use Combination of Ground Simulators and Basic trainers which means not many aircrafts are designed as Intermediate Jet Trainers which lead to very few even responding to Request For Information (RFI) issued by IAF .
Fabrica Militar de Aviones (FMA) an Argentinian Company was another company which responded to IAF’s RFI and offered FMA IA 63 Pampa “Phase 3 aircrafts but aircraft offered is technically much more inferior to HJT-36 Sitara which has been developed by HAL and might have not interested by IAF .
HJT-36 Sitara is designed keeping IAF’s requirements in mind for IJT role which is unique to IAF’s Pilot training program. Sitara doesn’t exceed performances of Mk.132 AJT but exceeds in performance to Basic Trainer Aircraft (BTA) like Pilatus PC- 7 Mk II aircrafts which are used in Stage-I.
It will be Interesting to see how IAF will utilize Scorpion aircrafts in its training program if it decides to buy them. Will it downgrade Mk.132 to be used as Stage-II aircraft and place Scorpion as Stage-III aircraft virtually killing of Indigenous HJT-36 Sitara aircraft or Eliminate Stage-II program and use Both Aircraft’s in as Stage-III aircrafts till Sitara is ready, but then Question will remain why Buy Scorpion aircrafts at the first place?
Aspiracionalmente inferior... supuestamente inferior.... Pero el nuestro "buela" y el de ellos.... no se atreven ni ellos a volarlo...
Mira que soy bruto con la ortografia pero es imperdonable escribir volar, vuela, volo con ¡¡¡B larga hermano!!!. Arregla eso por dios Saludos.
Lo único que falta es que, con los nuevos acuerdos con India, canjeemos el Pampa por el HAL Tejas...y tengamos que poner plata encima...
aunque NO ME GUSTA el tejas....si el aparato es bueno.....cual seria el problema?
No se si trueque,pero si se llega a un acuerdo no seria descabellado una cooperacion HAL/Fadea en otro proyecto.
Ojala se de ,aunque sea 25 no importa
Ojala se de ,aunque sea 25 no importa
Y considerando lo que cuesta el HAL sería lo lógico, no? De hecho si viniera el Tejas no sería un gol de media cancha, sino uno de arco a arco y encima haciendo el "escorpión" . . . Igual extremadamente difícil, porque sino me equivoco la India mantiene todavía una fuerte relación con los ingleses.
Cordiales Saludos
Si logramos que un país como la India, que es un "peso pesado" en lo que a compra de material militar respecta, adquiera / desarrolle algo basado en el Pampa, sería un éxito enorme para Argentina.
Cordiales Saludos
Cordiales Saludos
Estimados la nota que agregue tomenla, como todo lo que viene de internet, con pinzas.
La compartí por que estaba seguro de haber visto antes el tema de los Pampas para la India.
Teniendo en cuenta que la nota es de 2015, estamos al 2019 y el Sitara sigue sin poder volar de manera segura, no sería tan descabellado pensar que van a mirar al Pampa con cierto interés.
Como antecedente, me gustaría citar al tanque Arjun que fue un desarrollo totalmente autóctono; las sucesivas demoras y retrasos hicieron que el ejército indio comprara T-90s a Rusia. Uno podría especular de un escenario similar con el Sitara.
La compartí por que estaba seguro de haber visto antes el tema de los Pampas para la India.
Teniendo en cuenta que la nota es de 2015, estamos al 2019 y el Sitara sigue sin poder volar de manera segura, no sería tan descabellado pensar que van a mirar al Pampa con cierto interés.
Como antecedente, me gustaría citar al tanque Arjun que fue un desarrollo totalmente autóctono; las sucesivas demoras y retrasos hicieron que el ejército indio comprara T-90s a Rusia. Uno podría especular de un escenario similar con el Sitara.
Marce: el Tejas no es bueno ya que viene tan o más complicado que el HJT-36 Sitara, con muchos años de desarrollo, múltiples problemas, cambios de planta motriz, configuraciones y ahora quieren meterle más soportes externos y planos canard.
Los ingenieros de HAL son casi como una mina...no sé lo que quiero pero lo quiero ya...!!!
recalco....NO ME GUSTA....pero si ya pudieron solucionar los problemas....pues....no hay problema para mi.Marce: el Tejas no es bueno ya que viene tan o más complicado que el HJT-36 Sitara, con muchos años de desarrollo, múltiples problemas, cambios de planta motriz, configuraciones y ahora quieren meterle más soportes externos y planos canard.
Los ingenieros de HAL son casi como una mina...no sé lo que quiero pero lo quiero ya...!!!
el motor es conocido...
la electronica es conocida....
lo "raro" es el cuerpo....y aseguran una vida util de 30 años....
y la logistica esta asegurada....
no me gusta....para nada!!....pero, entre un fa50 y este....pues....me quedo con este (siempre y cuando no haya problemas estructurales).
abrazo
pero....
Porqué la logística está asegurada? . . . Lo pregunto por la relacion entre los indios y los ingleses.
Cordiales Saludos
porque el motor es yankie y la electronica israeli.
los principales componentes son extranjeros o fabricados mancomunadamente.
despues....lo que resta es la parte "dura" (estructura), no es mayor problema, mas aun teniendo un numero grande de unidades a fabricar para su propia fuerza aerea.
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