S
SnAkE_OnE
estimo por la altura de la instalacion...tanto como en un Hawkeye o en un Orion
quien dice que USCG no se adapte a estandares militares?
quien dice que USCG no se adapte a estandares militares?
Super Etendard Modernizados
- Tema iniciado cnlsuarez84
- Fecha de inicio
Por mirage IV se querian cambiar lo de los vulcans nunca lo escuche.
A lo mejor lo dira por la visita de uno cuando las relaciones eran otras, pero habia leido que se lo habia desacartado porque era innecesario.
Tronador II
Colaborador
Si..yo había leído en una interavia del 81 lo de los MIV...pero quedaron descartados porque eran la punta de lanza nuclear del Ejército del Aire Frances (y todavía faltaba para que los M-2000 los reemplazaran en esa función)...también leí potencialmente la incorporación de F-111...
Delfin
Forista Sancionado o Expulsado
Chicos, volvemos al Super Etendard Modernizé ???
1. Se dice que el radar ANÉMONE del Standard V del SEM tendría nuevas funciones respecto al Standard IV. ¿Alguien sabe si se podrían utilizar esas nuevas funciones para operar con el PYTHON IV o V de israel?
2. Se conocen acciones donde se hayan usado las AS-30L (misiles aire-sup guia terminal x láser) contra buques de guerra?
3. Conocen alguna comparativa de las AS-30L francesas y las KAB-500L rusas? O bien algún lugar donde se pueda ver data de estas últimas? (que creo que tienen un peso semejante)
4. Precios de los pods ATLIS 2 y DAMOCLES?
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Description (AS-30L)
The AS 30L is a short-range, laser-guided, air-to-surface missile powered by a solid propellant motor and armed with a High Explosive (HE) penetrating warhead. It is cylindrical in shape with a pointed nose and has four clipped swept delta-wings mid-body and four small clipped delta tailfins. The missile's body consists of two major sections, which are stored and delivered in separate containers. The front section which is packed with the four wings contains the nose-mounted laser seeker, guidance computer, fuzing system, the 240 kg HE warhead and the safety and arming mechanism. The second container carriers the aft section which contains the SNPE-designed solid-propellant sustainer motor whose exhaust passes through the solid-propellant booster motor, the exhaust from which is emitted through two nozzles arranged in the horizontal plane on either side of the main exhaust. At the rear end of the sustainer exhaust pipe are four small electromagnetic-actuated jet deflectors for flight control. Positioned around the motor exhausts are the four in-line stabilising fins, roll gyro, control and actuator system and the thermal battery. The AS 30L missile is 3.65 m long, has a body diameter of 342 mm, a wing span of 1 m and a launch weight of 520 kg. It is fitted with the same 240 kg HE warhead that was developed for use in the AS 30 missile. This is thought to be derived from a 250 kg GP bomb. It is initiated by a fuzing system which can be set for impact or delayed action to ensure penetration of the target before the explosive charge is detonated. Mid-course guidance is inertial, followed by terminal phase semi-active laser homing. The terminal phase of the missile's flight is controlled by the TMV 585 Ariel laser guidance seeker operating in conjunction with the target designator. Laser radiation reflected from the target is collected through the seeker dome and reflected by an axial gyrostabilised mirror to the detection cells. The cells measure the angle between missile axis and flight line to target. Once the missile receives a sufficient level of reflected energy as it approaches the target, the missile locks on and switches to terminal mode. In the case of short-range targets this lock on can be achieved before launch and the missile fired in a locked on mode. The LDP/ATLIS 2 and CLDP pods are designed to perform acquisition, identification and automatic tracking operations on a ground target selected by the pilot.
The pod (ATLIS 2), which is normally carried on the aircraft centre or inboard-wing stations, is a streamlined cylindrical container made up of three sections with a domed nose and tapered aft end. The front section, which is almost a third of the total length, can swivel in the roll axis. In the case of the LDP/ATLIS 2, the nose carries a series of flat windows to allow emission of the laser beam and reception of the reflected laser signal and the TV picture. The CLDP has a distinctive different nose in that it is more like a ball with flattened sides with an oval window in the centre and a round one directly above. These windows serve the same purpose but also allow the reception of the IR image in the night-time version. The front section of the pods houses the mechanical and electrical systems of the tracking device that is, the roll and pitch-stabilisers, inertial platform and viewing mirror assembly, and the related electrical-powered gimbal mechanism; the TV system including a telescope, prisms, the TV camera for daytime use or an IR thermal imager for night use; and finally, the laser unit which permits both target illumination and computation of aircraft to target distance. This section is pressurised, and its rotation is controlled by a motor and reduction assembly associated with the gimballed assembly, resulting in the coverage of the surface below the aircraft and out to a maximum of 160° from the aircraft's centreline axis as the aircraft makes a turn. The central section contains the power supply and the electronics pack used for processing the TV signals, the digital computer, interfaces and so on. The aft section contains the laser power supply, fluid cooling unit and electronics environmental control unit. During an attack, having reached the target area, the pilot acquires the target by means of the pod. The pilot then directs a laser spot beam onto the desired impact point with the aid of the cockpit-mounted display and once within the 12 km range, can fire the missile and break away. On launch, the solid-propellant booster motor provides a separation speed of 200 m/s from the launch aircraft and burns for about 2 seconds. The sustainer motor is ignited by hot gases from the booster about 1 second after the booster is fired. The sustainer propels the missile to a flight speed of about 450 m/s (M1.32). Total flight time from launch to impact on a target 12 km away is approximately 22 seconds. Although designed primarily for low-level attacks, during the Gulf War, French Air Force Jaguar pilots launched the missiles from standoff distances of about 10 km and at altitudes typically ranged from 3 to 6 km (10,000 to 20,000 ft). Pilots said they usually started viewing targets through the modified (for high-altitude use) ATLIS 2 pods, as far as 16 to 20 km, using the pods magnification feature. The AS 30L system is credited with a Circular Error of Probability (CEP) of less than 1 m, and the missile is propelled throughout its flight at supersonic impact speed. The warhead is reported to have the capability to penetrate a concrete wall up to 2 m thick before exploding inside.
Operational Status
AS 30L development started around 1974 and it is believed that the missile entered service with the French Air Force in 1988. The technical/operational evaluation firings were completed in June 1988 and two successful night firings were reported in September 1988. AS 30L has been exported to Egypt, India, Iraq, Jordan, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan and Venezuela. Reports also state that Iraq fired some AS 30L missiles in the Iran-Iraq war. Iraq was believed to be negotiating to build AS 30L missiles and the ATLIS pods under licence, in addition to the 240 missiles delivered in 1987-88. It is reported that orders for 870 missiles in total have been received, and that around 645 had been delivered by the end of 1996. French Air Force Jaguars fired around 60 AS 30L missiles during the 1991 Gulf War. The French Navy has operated AS 30L missiles from 1996.
SPECIFICATIONS :
Length: 3.65 mBody diameter:342 mmWing span: 1 mLaunch weight: 520 kgWarhead: 240 kg HEFuze:ImpactGuidance:Inertial and semi-active laser homingPropulsion: Solid propellantRange: 12 kmCOMPANY NAME : Aerospatiale
Fuente: http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/asm/as30.html
1. Se dice que el radar ANÉMONE del Standard V del SEM tendría nuevas funciones respecto al Standard IV. ¿Alguien sabe si se podrían utilizar esas nuevas funciones para operar con el PYTHON IV o V de israel?
2. Se conocen acciones donde se hayan usado las AS-30L (misiles aire-sup guia terminal x láser) contra buques de guerra?
3. Conocen alguna comparativa de las AS-30L francesas y las KAB-500L rusas? O bien algún lugar donde se pueda ver data de estas últimas? (que creo que tienen un peso semejante)
4. Precios de los pods ATLIS 2 y DAMOCLES?
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Description (AS-30L)
The AS 30L is a short-range, laser-guided, air-to-surface missile powered by a solid propellant motor and armed with a High Explosive (HE) penetrating warhead. It is cylindrical in shape with a pointed nose and has four clipped swept delta-wings mid-body and four small clipped delta tailfins. The missile's body consists of two major sections, which are stored and delivered in separate containers. The front section which is packed with the four wings contains the nose-mounted laser seeker, guidance computer, fuzing system, the 240 kg HE warhead and the safety and arming mechanism. The second container carriers the aft section which contains the SNPE-designed solid-propellant sustainer motor whose exhaust passes through the solid-propellant booster motor, the exhaust from which is emitted through two nozzles arranged in the horizontal plane on either side of the main exhaust. At the rear end of the sustainer exhaust pipe are four small electromagnetic-actuated jet deflectors for flight control. Positioned around the motor exhausts are the four in-line stabilising fins, roll gyro, control and actuator system and the thermal battery. The AS 30L missile is 3.65 m long, has a body diameter of 342 mm, a wing span of 1 m and a launch weight of 520 kg. It is fitted with the same 240 kg HE warhead that was developed for use in the AS 30 missile. This is thought to be derived from a 250 kg GP bomb. It is initiated by a fuzing system which can be set for impact or delayed action to ensure penetration of the target before the explosive charge is detonated. Mid-course guidance is inertial, followed by terminal phase semi-active laser homing. The terminal phase of the missile's flight is controlled by the TMV 585 Ariel laser guidance seeker operating in conjunction with the target designator. Laser radiation reflected from the target is collected through the seeker dome and reflected by an axial gyrostabilised mirror to the detection cells. The cells measure the angle between missile axis and flight line to target. Once the missile receives a sufficient level of reflected energy as it approaches the target, the missile locks on and switches to terminal mode. In the case of short-range targets this lock on can be achieved before launch and the missile fired in a locked on mode. The LDP/ATLIS 2 and CLDP pods are designed to perform acquisition, identification and automatic tracking operations on a ground target selected by the pilot.
The pod (ATLIS 2), which is normally carried on the aircraft centre or inboard-wing stations, is a streamlined cylindrical container made up of three sections with a domed nose and tapered aft end. The front section, which is almost a third of the total length, can swivel in the roll axis. In the case of the LDP/ATLIS 2, the nose carries a series of flat windows to allow emission of the laser beam and reception of the reflected laser signal and the TV picture. The CLDP has a distinctive different nose in that it is more like a ball with flattened sides with an oval window in the centre and a round one directly above. These windows serve the same purpose but also allow the reception of the IR image in the night-time version. The front section of the pods houses the mechanical and electrical systems of the tracking device that is, the roll and pitch-stabilisers, inertial platform and viewing mirror assembly, and the related electrical-powered gimbal mechanism; the TV system including a telescope, prisms, the TV camera for daytime use or an IR thermal imager for night use; and finally, the laser unit which permits both target illumination and computation of aircraft to target distance. This section is pressurised, and its rotation is controlled by a motor and reduction assembly associated with the gimballed assembly, resulting in the coverage of the surface below the aircraft and out to a maximum of 160° from the aircraft's centreline axis as the aircraft makes a turn. The central section contains the power supply and the electronics pack used for processing the TV signals, the digital computer, interfaces and so on. The aft section contains the laser power supply, fluid cooling unit and electronics environmental control unit. During an attack, having reached the target area, the pilot acquires the target by means of the pod. The pilot then directs a laser spot beam onto the desired impact point with the aid of the cockpit-mounted display and once within the 12 km range, can fire the missile and break away. On launch, the solid-propellant booster motor provides a separation speed of 200 m/s from the launch aircraft and burns for about 2 seconds. The sustainer motor is ignited by hot gases from the booster about 1 second after the booster is fired. The sustainer propels the missile to a flight speed of about 450 m/s (M1.32). Total flight time from launch to impact on a target 12 km away is approximately 22 seconds. Although designed primarily for low-level attacks, during the Gulf War, French Air Force Jaguar pilots launched the missiles from standoff distances of about 10 km and at altitudes typically ranged from 3 to 6 km (10,000 to 20,000 ft). Pilots said they usually started viewing targets through the modified (for high-altitude use) ATLIS 2 pods, as far as 16 to 20 km, using the pods magnification feature. The AS 30L system is credited with a Circular Error of Probability (CEP) of less than 1 m, and the missile is propelled throughout its flight at supersonic impact speed. The warhead is reported to have the capability to penetrate a concrete wall up to 2 m thick before exploding inside.
Operational Status
AS 30L development started around 1974 and it is believed that the missile entered service with the French Air Force in 1988. The technical/operational evaluation firings were completed in June 1988 and two successful night firings were reported in September 1988. AS 30L has been exported to Egypt, India, Iraq, Jordan, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan and Venezuela. Reports also state that Iraq fired some AS 30L missiles in the Iran-Iraq war. Iraq was believed to be negotiating to build AS 30L missiles and the ATLIS pods under licence, in addition to the 240 missiles delivered in 1987-88. It is reported that orders for 870 missiles in total have been received, and that around 645 had been delivered by the end of 1996. French Air Force Jaguars fired around 60 AS 30L missiles during the 1991 Gulf War. The French Navy has operated AS 30L missiles from 1996.
SPECIFICATIONS :
Length: 3.65 mBody diameter:342 mmWing span: 1 mLaunch weight: 520 kgWarhead: 240 kg HEFuze:ImpactGuidance:Inertial and semi-active laser homingPropulsion: Solid propellantRange: 12 kmCOMPANY NAME : Aerospatiale
Fuente: http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/asm/as30.html
KAB-500L
Fuente: http://www.machtres.com/armas kab.htm
Otros Sitios:
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-GBU.html#mozTocId689045
Aca hay cada belleza....
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Regional-PGM.html#mozTocId832438
Saludos
Fuente: http://www.machtres.com/armas kab.htm
Otros Sitios:
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-GBU.html#mozTocId689045
Aca hay cada belleza....
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Regional-PGM.html#mozTocId832438
Saludos
boreal
Forista Sancionado o Expulsado
Espero que no, porque a los portugueses les salieron los Litening II por menos de dos millones de euros la pieza. Con su mantenimiento y todo.
Muy bien no me acuerdo, pero habia salido un articulo de las adquisiciones de la MN donde se mencionaba la adquisicion y los costos del Damocles que creo que era este, no me acuerdo.
Cual es el costo de un E-2C Hawkeye para la parte de awacs, es mas chico que un orion o un 767 y debe haber varios en AMARC.
S
SnAkE_OnE
Caro, complicado de mantener tambien y carisimo de modernizar, como minimo tenes que tener 3
Fede, es mas simple modificar algun aparato como el Orion o un 767 ??? costos??
A comparacion de un 767 no se si sea caro, pero hay tremendas diferencias ente uno y el otro. Hoy en dia no es necesidad un AWACS navalizado. Es preferible un 767, con el cual podes mantenerte en el aire un gran tiempo, com mayor radio de accion, y mas operadores para distrubuir y clasificar mejor la informacion recojida.
Un E-2D debe andar muy cerca de un E-767 en $$.
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