Navalizando al F 22

Restoring America's Maritime Air Dominance


Source: http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/251/


07:36 GMT, February 23, 2009 defpro.com | May 7th, 1942, during the Battle of the Coral Sea, was the day when naval warfare changed forever. This was the first fleet action in which aircraft carriers engaged each other. It was also history’s first naval battle in which neither side's ships sighted or fired directly upon each other. Although technically a win for the Japanese Navy, its forces were sufficiently weakened that in the subsequent Battle of Midway, the United States Navy convincingly defeated the Imperial Japanese Navy. Since then, the USN has never been defeated at sea.

However, the halcyon days of the USN projecting immense power wherever and whenever they choose may be at an end. The airborne torpedoes and kamikazes of this long-gone era have been replaced by supersonic sea-skimming anti-ship cruise missiles, all developed in Russia, but now proliferating across the Asia-Pacific Region and being manufactured under licence by other countries, such as India. India has bold plans to export over 500 of the Kh-61/SS-N-26 Yakhont derived BrahMos.

The tridents that might pierce the hulls of the US Navy warships include: the ’Carrier Buster’ Kh-41 or SS-N-22 ‘Sunburn’, which can have conventional, thermobaric or nuclear warheads; the Kh-61 Yakhont / BrahMos or SS-N-26 ‘Stallion’; and the devilishly clever 3M54 series or SS-N-27 ‘Sizzler’, which cruises at subsonic speed to the vicinity of the fleet, pops up at about 40 nautical miles for a radar fix, then launches a Mach 2.7 supersonic manoeuvring ‘dart’ at the victim warship.

How will these attacks be delivered? The way to penetrate a Carrier Strike Group’s (CSG’s) defences is to deliver unmanageable swarms of missiles – technically termed a ‘saturation attack’ to overwhelm the Anti-Ship Missile Defence Systems. The Soviets invested enormous effort into the Operations Research underpinning this tactic. To carry out such an attack, Flanker fighters can carry a single Sunburn round, or three Sizzler rounds, or four Stallion / BrahMos rounds. Venerable aircraft like the Tu-95M/Tu-142 Bear, the Tu-22M3 Backfire, and the new Chinese H-6K turbofan Badger are all options for antiship strikes, and all can strike from long-ranges, carrying six or more such missiles per aircraft.

In an operational scenario, the US Navy’s E-2C/D Hawkeye fleet would be able to detect the incoming Bears, Backfires or Badgers to scramble the F/A-18E/F and F-35B/C aircraft for an effective intercept, even if the strike aircraft arrive in a small fleet to deliver their swarm of missiles.

So, if Bear, Backfire or Badger striker aircraft carry the anti-ship missiles, they will need to be escorted by ‘offensive counter-air’ (OCA) Flankers. For these fighter escorts, this is a ‘high-high-high’ altitude profile mission, so with an effective OCA weapons load, the un-refuelled combat radius will be about 1,000 nautical miles with internal fuel and external tanks. All late model Flankers have air-to-air refuelling capabilities, so this OCA range could extend to 1,500 nm and well beyond with enough tanker support. That’s a lot of blue water from which to exclude the US Navy. These ranges are also significant, as the F/A-18E/F and the F-35B/C struggle to exceed un-refuelled combat radii much beyond 600 nm with any useful weapons load.

So, if countries operating late model Flankers choose, they can effectively neuter the USN by denying it access to targets within range of carrier based shipboard attack aircraft.

Ehrhard and Work (footnote 1) have cleverly proposed, in a recent study, that the US Navy deploy stealth 1,500+ nautical mile combat radius UCAVs (Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicles) from carrier decks to permit attacks from outside the reach of land based bombers and fighters. This is a sound and well thought out strategy, which forces land based bombers, and especially their tanker refuelled fighter escorts, to operate at very long-ranges, which seriously reduces sustained sortie rates and restricts deployable numbers. The ‘Ehrhard strategy’ solves part of the puzzle, but not the entire puzzle. Subsonic UCAVs suffer the same sortie rate limitations as subsonic cruising land based aircraft attacking the fleet. They cannot eliminate the problem of long-range air attack on the fleet, but only reduce its intensity (footnote 2).

An attacker can play a more aggressive game than simply launching swarms of supersonic sea skimmers. Suppose the enemy’s intent is to inflict so much attrition upon the US Navy that it is rendered combat ineffective?

The first target is the E-2C/D Hawkeye Airborne Early Warning (AEW&C) aircraft. Some Flankers will be armed with OCA weaponry, others with the long-range R-172 or R-37 ‘AWACS-killer’ missiles – specifically designed to kill AEW&C aircraft at ranges of up to 200 nautical miles. The OCA Flankers protect those Flankers tasked with killing the AEW&C aircraft. The ensuing air battle is likely to down a number of E-2C/D Hawkeyes, F/A-18E/F and F-35B/C aircraft, bleeding the CSG’s air defences. Finally, the full-strength anti-ship strike will be scheduled with large numbers of OCA Flankers escorting Striker Flankers and/or Bears, and/or Backfires, and/or Badgers. If the surviving missile swarm exceeds the defensive capability of the DDG escorts, then a lot of hulls will ‘turn turtle’, thus becoming a ‘Reversed Mariana’s Turkey Shoot’ and ‘Reversed Battle of Midway’, all in one.

That is, current US Navy air power and operations planning will not be able to protect its Carrier Strike Groups against existing and developing global threats. A much more effective naval air combat capability will be needed for the CSGs to survive.

The answer to the naval air defence problem lies in the late Cold War US Navy maritime strategy model of ‘killing the archer, rather than the arrow’ – which means engaging and destroying the attacking aircraft before they can launch their lethal sea skimming supersonic payloads.

Late model Flankers such as the Su-35BM have a clear advantage over the F/A-18E/F. Even with reduced radar signatures, the F/A-18E/F has a residual signature that allows the Su-35BM to launch a PL-12, or R-77M, or ramjet RVV-AE-PD at the kinematic limits of these missiles’ engagement envelopes – and with the Flanker higher and faster than the Super Hornet, well outside its AIM-120C/D range envelope. So the Flanker gets ‘free shots’ – and can carry lots of them. The F/A-18E/F has some fine defensive electronic countermeasures and the ALE-55 will seduce many of the incoming missiles – but not all. The R-77M ‘Adder’ will have alternate active radar, heat-seeking and passive anti-radar homing seeker heads, so any competent OCA force would deliver a mix of these missiles in a mass firing. This is a ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ situation for the Navy Hornets – the radar and electronic counter measures are required to prosecute attack on the Flankers, but will attract passive anti-radar homing missiles. The missiles with heat-seeking guidance also present a serious threat as their homing is not affected by the towed decoy. Expect the exchange ratio to be about 4:1 in favour of the Flanker E+.

The F-35 B/Cs might fare a bit better, but their Achilles’ heel is a shortage of missile shots. A Flanker E+ can carry up to 10 long-range missiles and 2 short-range missiles, but not to a distance of 1,000 nm. At 500 nm or so, they can carry 8 long-range missiles, and can fire them all in a track-while-scan’ mode. The JSF’s reduced signature forces engagements where both aircraft are within range of the other’s missiles. However, the Flanker E+ has more missile shots than the JSF; has modern DRFM Electronic Counter Measures; and, possibly, a towed decoy where the F-35 has none. Long-range heat-seeking missiles pose the same danger to the JSF as to the Hornet. Expect an exchange rate of at best about 1:1 between the Flanker E+ and the JSF.

Both the Hornet and JSF lack the aerodynamic agility to out-turn missiles. They also lack the speed essential to a safe disengagement from a fight. Here is another thorny dilemma in modern naval air warfare. If the US Navy defensive fighters stay close enough to the fleet to be covered by the CG/DDGs’ Surface to Air Missiles on egress, they have allowed the enemy to get within launch range of their anti-shipping missiles; if they don’t, they will be cut down during the egress to the carrier.

The argument that comes next is predictable – deploy an air combat aircraft that can effectively ‘kill the archer’ and survive. This aircraft is a ‘navalized’ F-22A – let us call it the ‘F/A-22N Sea Raptor’. This is not the same as the cancelled Naval Advanced Tactical Fighter (NATF). The US Navy wanted an advanced fighter, but the NATF failed because the Navy wanted a de-facto new-technology F-14 engineered from F-22 components. This suggestion is the converse; convert the F-22A into an F-14 replacement – a much lower risk and less costly approach. The fiscal and timeline costs of restarting the early 1990s F-22 derived ‘swing wing’ NATF are simply out of feasible bounds.

Is that the choir that can be heard singing a chorus of ‘you cannot do that!’? Well, suspend disbelief and inter-service politics for a few minutes, and see what might be done with a little imagination and old-fashioned pragmatic American
engineering ‘know-how’.

Look at the remarkable overlay of a scaled image of the F/A-22N on a line drawing of the F-14D (http://www.ausairpower.net/F-22A-vs-F-14D-1S.png). Note the similarity of the size and weight of the aircraft, although the F/A-22N has substantially more thrust. To reduce the F/A-22N’s deck footprint – or spotting factor in naval language - its wings could be folded between the flaps and aileron.

How about the approach and trap speeds critical for carrier operations? About 125 KIAS at 50,000 lbs gross weight would be useful - the F-35C approach speed is ~145 KIAS. There are several ways of reducing the F/A-22N’s approach and landing speed (Refer Annex), including using the Raptor’s thrust vectoring capability (TVC) though this will require a means of providing a balancing pitching moment in the Powered Approach (PA) configuration. One way this can be achieved is by replacing the existing hinged nose-wheel doors with scissoring lifting canards. Drop the gear and the lifting canards deploy with a fixed positive angle of attack, providing lift and moving the centre-of-pressure forward. The elevators, in turn, respond with less ‘download’. This configuration has been modelled and flown using a basic simulator as a comparator, with an F-22A configured with such lifting canards allowing nicely controlled approaches at 135 KIAS and traps at 125 KIAS. These speeds are similar to the F-14, which having a comparable gross weight on recovery, results in similar momentum to be absorbed by the arrestor cable motors.

The canards would also assist in catapult launches, so with the F/A-22N at its maximum takeoff weight of about 80,000 lbs, it should be within the capacity of installed catapults. For comparison, the F-14 MTOW is around 75,000 lbs, but it has much less engine thrust available compared to the F/A-22N.

It may be necessary to ‘beef-up’ the airframe in some places, but the basic supersonic 9G-rated structure is already there. Specific design changes might include a carrier qualified 24 ft/sec sink rate undercarriage, ‘beefing up’ the support and load transfer structure for the stronger undercarriage, a navalized nose gear with catapult launch bar, and a carrier-rated arrestor hook for recoveries.

The USAF boom refuelling could be retained, and the F-35B/C aerial refuelling probe added to the forward fuselage. So configured, the F/A-22N would be able to take on fuel wherever it finds a friendly tanker.

The avionic and systems build would be based on the Air Force Block 40 plus configuration, so an F/A-22N Sea Raptor would have the Block 40’s full range of networking, air-to-air and air-to-ground strike capabilities. Additional Navy datalinks and ACLS would be required.

Has this been done before? Well, yes. The Russians were able take the impressive Su-27S Flanker B and re-engineer it into the world's best shipboard fighter, the Su-33 Flanker D. The French successfully converted the land based Rafale into the Rafale M Navale. The idea that the experienced engineering cadres of Northrop-Grumman or Boeing might lack the engineering skills to do the same for the F/A-22N Sea Raptor, and do so efficiently, is difficult to accept.

And the cost?

Pricing the Research and Development & Test and Evaluation, Production Engineering & Tooling (the NRE Costs) for the lifting canard, folding wings, undercarriage redesign, airframe strengthening and marinising comes in at a rough-order-of-magnitude (ROM) cost of around $230M (-10%/+30% variance). This figure includes an appropriate margin for risk.

Over a production run of some 500 aircraft, the overall program cost, as distinct from price charged, including amortisation of the NRE, would add somewhat less than $10 million to the current F-22A production cost of $142 million . . .and that is assuming “all new” for any affected existing parts. However, the bulk of any affected parts will likely be able to be modified/upgraded, thus becoming cost effective ‘cousin parts’ like those extolled in the JSF Program for the savings they will generate.

This is what one would call a classic capability bargain with superior cost benefit for all (…except any opposing threats, of course). You take an already outstanding aircraft and make it even more effective with an investment that is a tiny fraction of the cost of developing a whole new aircraft type or, for that matter, the money that still needs to be spent on trying to get the F-35B/C to meet its already surpassed specification.

More savings come from the volume production. Current cost estimate across the planned 91 x F-35B aircraft is ~ $158M a copy. For the current production F-22A, this figure is $142M per copy. A production run of over 700 Raptors will reduce this latter unit price substantially, so the USAF, USN and the USMC are all winners if the Sea Raptor numbers increase.

The ugly reality is that the US Navy is staring down the barrel of a global environment where its underperforming Hornets and Super Hornets, and planned to underperform F-35B/C Joint Strike Fighters are neither viable as penetrating strike assets or actually capable of keeping the fleet alive in the face of modern Russian designed supersonic sea skimming weapons, which have proliferated on a global scale.

The F/A-22N Sea Raptor renders the F-35C CV completely redundant, as it will provide around three times the capability of the F-35C at similar unit procurement costs, with a twin engine airframe better suited to naval operations. This would permit cancellation of the F-35C, never a favourite with professional naval aviators. The funding reserved for around 400 F-35Cs would buy a similar number of F/A-22Ns, producing the same commonality and economy of scale effects seen when the Air Force adopted the F-4C/D, while the Navy and Marines flew the F-4B. Should the Marines be equipped with the F/A-22N rather than the planned F-35B STOVL JSF, the total build numbers for both services could be as high as 680 aircraft. The F/A-22N provides, inherently, if not subjected to client or contractor induced cost and capability creep, much higher cross-variant commonality than the F-35 JSF does, driving down production costs with increasing build numbers much more effectively.

Purchasing an aircraft with the ability to engage and defeat aircraft possessing the air combat capabilities of the Su-35BM Flanker E+ is a critical strategic decision for the United States. If it chooses aircraft inferior to those of potential adversaries, then not only will its Air Force risk annihilation in battle, but also the mighty power of its Naval Carrier Strike Groups is likely to be terminated in the second decade of this century. Without the navalized F/A-22N Sea Raptor, the US Navy will find itself out of the business of blue and brown water sea control, relegated to Third World counter-insurgency support roles.

The F/A-22N ‘Sea Raptor’ is the only remaining choice.



 
los americanos se estan dando cuenta de a poco que necesitan mas al Raptor que a cualquier otra cosa.... y que el F35 no ha sido la solucion a sus problemas...
realmente.... no me parece nada descabellado una version navalizada del F22....
 

Grulla

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Colaborador
y con la crisis....los empleados de Lockheed tienen que seguir trabajando.

So, if Bear, Backfire or Badger striker aircraft carry the anti-ship missiles, they will need to be escorted by ‘offensive counter-air’ (OCA) Flankers. For these fighter escorts, this is a ‘high-high-high’ altitude profile mission, so with an effective OCA weapons load, the un-refuelled combat radius will be about 1,000 nautical miles with internal fuel and external tanks. All late model Flankers have air-to-air refuelling capabilities, so this OCA range could extend to 1,500 nm and well beyond with enough tanker support. That’s a lot of blue water from which to exclude the US Navy. These ranges are also significant, as the F/A-18E/F and the F-35B/C struggle to exceed un-refuelled combat radii much beyond 600 nm with any useful weapons load.

Y a mi los del club del gato me crusificaron cuando subi la nota escrita por el ing de Grumman donde afirmaba que los reemplazos del Tomcat estaban cortos de alcance y el mejor sustituto era el Su-27K (Su-33) americanizado.

Falta algun defensor del "impenetrable" Aegis que diga que se los come crudos a todos esos ASM rusos
 
Los yankys tienen varios cuerpos de ventaja de cualquier ejercito, por lo que con los recortes en defensa que va a implementar Obama, van a poner en el freezer todos estos proyectos.
 

boreal

Forista Sancionado o Expulsado
A mi esto me suena a lo mismo que cuando leo los rollos chinos de como se destruye facilmente y sin problemas a un grupo de combate de dos portaaviones usa sin apenas perdidas, molto facile e divertente. Ahí como quien no quiere la cosa.



Que viene el badger, que vieneeeee
 
A mi esto me suena a lo mismo que cuando leo los rollos chinos de como se destruye facilmente y sin problemas a un grupo de combate de dos portaaviones usa sin apenas perdidas, molto facile e divertente. Ahí como quien no quiere la cosa.



Que viene el badger, que vieneeeee

ojo que los Chinos estan usando un enfoque diferente para el ataque a Grupos de batalla de portaaviones...
han desarrollado (segun parece) versiones de sus MRBM moviles con cabezas convencionales (y nucleares) con guia terminal y capacidad de manibra en la face terminal ..y segun pruebas .. aseguran que tienen la presicion suficiente como para empeñar a un grupo de combate basado en un porta...
seguramente sera utilizando las cabezas nucleares sin duda.
de ahi el apuro americano por poner en servicio lo mas rapido posible el SM3-... ya que llegado el caso sera indispensable para combatir esta amenaza... nueva si se quiere.
teniendo en cuenta este enfoque si... ya que se esta atacando desde mas de 500km de distancia y con una plataforma movil.... digamos, comodamente y sentado desde el sillon de la casa...
ahora si realmente le pueden pegar o como diablos haran para detectar, trakear y seguir un CVG en medio del pacifico.... eso es otro cantar.... y es problema de ellos !!:sifone:
 

boreal

Forista Sancionado o Expulsado
Hombre, a ver quien es el chulo que empieza usando armamento nuclear contra los usa o los rusos.

Lo demás no deja de ser rollo academico, como los libros esos que te dicen como se ha de ligar, que si, que es muy facil, ya, ya (pero seguro que con la que yo quiero no funciona) pues mas o menos
 
Usar armamento nuclear no creo, pero los chinos estan empeñados desde Mao en convertirse en la principal superpotencia por encima de EEUU, y para eso van a requerir Sda`s con capacidad para al menos, intimar a los CBG`s yankis. El concepto de multiples cabezas balisticas con guia terminal (sean convencionales o nucleares) creo que es un elemento disuasivo muy fuerte.
 
De los más de 700 F-22 que queria USAF hasta solo 183 se fueram las ventas . Los norteamericanos (Lockheed) quierem ahora una motivación más para mas pedidos del Raptor...és lo que parece...
 
El concepto de multiples cabezas balisticas con guia terminal (sean convencionales o nucleares) creo que es un elemento disuasivo muy fuerte.
Pues a mí eso me suena a ataques de saturación en plan soviético, sólo que ahora en vez de hacerlos desde una nube de migs contra los blancos navales americanos en el Atlántico norte, lo harán desde silos de misiles continentales contra blancos navales americanos en el Pacífico. Y a eso hace tiempo que los americanos respondieron con el AEGIS y su radar SPY, me temo.

Y de acuerdo con Dieneces. Alguien está buscando excusas para montar 200 F-22 más. El F-22 naval se llama F-35, así sea A o C, que es lo que va a haber en la Navy y el B para los Marines y media Europa.
 
Con 35 millones de yankys comiendo gracias a sus planes sociales de 100 dolares mensuales, no creo que quede mucho para cifras siderales en armamento. Repito, chinos y rusos están muy atrás todavia para justificar más guita en armas.
 

Buitreaux

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Y a mi los del club del gato me crusificaron cuando subi la nota escrita por el ing de Grumman donde afirmaba que los reemplazos del Tomcat estaban cortos de alcance y el mejor sustituto era el Su-27K (Su-33) americanizado.
Ese hubiese sido el reemplazo mas digno para el venerable gato. Por una fraccion del costo, hubiesen neutralizado a la amenza rusa.

Falta algun defensor del "impenetrable" Aegis que diga que se los come crudos a todos esos ASM rusos

Lo pediste? Aca lo tenes:

Pues a mí eso me suena a ataques de saturación en plan soviético, sólo que ahora en vez de hacerlos desde una nube de migs contra los blancos navales americanos en el Atlántico norte, lo harán desde silos de misiles continentales contra blancos navales americanos en el Pacífico. Y a eso hace tiempo que los americanos respondieron con el AEGIS y su radar SPY, me temo.

Y de acuerdo con Dieneces. Alguien está buscando excusas para montar 200 F-22 más. El F-22 naval se llama F-35, así sea A o C, que es lo que va a haber en la Navy y el B para los Marines y media Europa.
 
Pero por lo sensible de la pintura RAM y las "terminaciones" no seria mas complicado su uso en portaaviones, teniendo en cuenta la fatiga que resulta de despegues y aterrizajes y los factores climaticos?

Si esto es asi el F-35 aumentaria de precio al no ser utilizado por los propios yankis?
 

boreal

Forista Sancionado o Expulsado
Hombre, el uso del tema RAM tambien se va a dar en los F-35, digo yo que alguna campaña harán previa para ver como le afecta al mantenimiento, pero vamos, que no creo que vayan a dejar de comprar F-35 de ninguna manera, menudo desastre para los demás.
 
De acuerdo boreal, me surgio la duda por aquella situacion del piloto encerrado en el raptor y los malabares que hicieron para no dañar las terminaciones.
 
A lo mejor esta presión sirve, de forma indirecta, para darle respaldo al golpeado F-35.

O sea, no pago más del prohibitivo F-22, pero me convencés en cambio de poner algunos morlacos más en el más barato F-35, sin chistar...

Saludos

Rob
 
Pues a mí eso me suena a ataques de saturación en plan soviético, sólo que ahora en vez de hacerlos desde una nube de migs contra los blancos navales americanos en el Atlántico norte, lo harán desde silos de misiles continentales contra blancos navales americanos en el Pacífico. Y a eso hace tiempo que los americanos respondieron con el AEGIS y su radar SPY, me temo.

Y de acuerdo con Dieneces. Alguien está buscando excusas para montar 200 F-22 más. El F-22 naval se llama F-35, así sea A o C, que es lo que va a haber en la Navy y el B para los Marines y media Europa.
no es lo mismo... una cosa es un ataque aereo con misiles crucero (para lo que se desarrollo el AEGIS) y otra muy distinta un ataque de saturacion con misiles balisticos...
el AEGIS se desarrollo para lo primero... y puede cumplir en lo segundo.. en cuanto entre el servicio la version SM3 del Standar... pero con lo que valen dudo mucho que se instalen en todos los cascos AEGIS.. aparte de que son eficaces para esa funcion... pero muy decifientes para detener un misil crucero volando bajo por ejemplo...asi que buque que monte el SM3 lo montara en mix seguramente
Con 35 millones de yankys comiendo gracias a sus planes sociales de 100 dolares mensuales, no creo que quede mucho para cifras siderales en armamento. Repito, chinos y rusos están muy atrás todavia para justificar más guita en armas.
no necesitan mas que lo que tienen para plantear una amenaza...
Hombre, el uso del tema RAM tambien se va a dar en los F-35, digo yo que alguna campaña harán previa para ver como le afecta al mantenimiento, pero vamos, que no creo que vayan a dejar de comprar F-35 de ninguna manera, menudo desastre para los demás.
asi es... menudo desastre para los demas... que ya estan hasta el cuello.. pero que no les queda otra.... alla ellos... los Yonis haran lo que les conviene... y si eso implica reducir el numero de F35 para comprar mas F22... ni duden que lo haran
A lo mejor esta presión sirve, de forma indirecta, para darle respaldo al golpeado F-35.

O sea, no pago más del prohibitivo F-22, pero me convencés en cambio de poner algunos morlacos más en el más barato F-35, sin chistar...

Saludos

Rob

no lo creo.. yo lo veo al reves... hace rato que una buena parte de los popes de la USAF vienen haciendo fuerza por mas unidades del F22.. que consideran su ideal.. si a eso agregamos ahora el interes de la marina.. bueno..:yonofui: :yonofui:
ahora, a menos que Lockeed ya tenga un desarrollo previo de un NAVY F22 , lo veo bien dificil de que se pueda desarrollar con la suficiente rapidez como para reemplazar en la linea de ensamblado al F35 naval.. lo veo mas como complemento a mediano plazo..
al F35 no sele puede pedir mas de lo que es.. osea.. ni chicha ni limonada.. un avion destinado a reemplazar a aviones tan dispares como el Sea Harrier, Harrier AV-8B, A-10 y F16.. es claro que la solucion tenia que ser de compromiso.. para colmo acotado en el precio...
era claro que no podia satisfacer todos los gustos... o bien se creaba un avion extraordinariamente complejo ( y caro) o sea creaba una solucion de compromiso que tomara caracteristicas del F22.. pero de ningun modo es un F22.... a no confundir
 
El F22 es mejor que el F35? sin lugar a dudas...

La relacion coste/beneficio esta a favor del F22? sin lugar a dudas...

Los yankis van a dejar de construir F35`s para beneficiar al F22? olvidense...


Aca hay negocios, papeles firmados, lobbys empresariales, si EEUU cancela a esta altura el programa F35, les puedo asegurar que el Congreso, se prende fuego y empiezan a rodar cabezas como locos
 
En especial siendo que la misma empresa produce a ambos, y bien o mal, el F-22 ya está colocado mientras que el F-35 no.
 
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