Africa do Sul cancela compra do A-400M

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Cost shoots down A400M​
Written by Paul Vecchiatto
Thursday, 05 November 2009



The Airbus A400M Loadmaster may have cost South African taxpayers as much as R30 billion, defence minister Lindiwe Sisulu told an extraordinary session of Parliament's Joint Standing Committee on Defence earlier this afternoon.

Briefing MPs Sisulu said the initial cost was set at R17.646 billion when the contract with was finalized on December 1, 2006.

However, Sisulu emphasised that negotiations were still continuing and that final costs had not been determined yet.

Cabinet spokesman Themba Maseko earlier today put the cost at R40 billion at a post-Cabinet briefing.

That figure is just below the R47 billion that had been cited in a previous hearing before Parliament by state arms procurement agency Armscor.

Sisulu added that she hopes the R2.9 billion paid so far would be refunded back to the Department of Defence and not the National Treasury.

She also avered that the termination of the A400M contract would not necessarily impact the industrial offset program in which aircraft parts manufacturer Denel would make components for the still to fly transport.

"The supplier was in serious breach of contract and we need the money desperately for other things within defence," she said.

Sisulu also told Parliament that a standstill agreement had been signed earlier this year after the A400M prototype had failed to fly on schedule in March. The aircraft still has to take to the skies.

"We have looked at the contract and we have determined we have met our obligations and that the failure of the aircraft to fly was in breach of their contract with us," she said.

A European source says Armscor CE Sipho Thomo is in Toulouse, France, at the moment to cancel the deal.

Responding to questions from the politicians, Sisulu said that the SA Air Force had to no "go back to the drawing board to redefine its airlift needs".

Members of Parliament from all the political parties welcomed the decision but expressed the view that the lack of airlift capability would hamper South Africa's participation in peacekeeping missions on the continent.

Democratic Alliance defence shadow minister David Maynier repeated his previous calls for an investigation into how the contract was signed.

"Over so many years, there have been so many questions about this issue. How did we get ourselves into the situation where we signed a contract for an aircraft the Air Force did not want and could not afford?" he asked.

Manyier also asked when government would stop the "bleeding at Denel" after it had injected R673 million into the state-owned enterprise as risk mitigation for the industrial offsets for the Airbus contract.

Denel is supposed to manufacture certain Airbus components and is still busy with the production of them.

Armscor chairperson Popo Molefe said the agency was still studying the A400M contract and, in particular, the formulas as stated in it.

"For instance, we have to examine whether or not the supplier gave warnings about certain milestones not being reached," he said.

Meanwhile, an industry source says a Lockheed Martin sales-team was recently in SA and was overheard to say there was a local requirement for five of the latest C130J variant of the aircraft. SA currently operats eight of the early B-models.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5085&Itemid=350
 
Cost shoots down A400M​
Written by Paul Vecchiatto
Thursday, 05 November 2009



The Airbus A400M Loadmaster may have cost South African taxpayers as much as R30 billion, defence minister Lindiwe Sisulu told an extraordinary session of Parliament's Joint Standing Committee on Defence earlier this afternoon.

Briefing MPs Sisulu said the initial cost was set at R17.646 billion when the contract with was finalized on December 1, 2006.

However, Sisulu emphasised that negotiations were still continuing and that final costs had not been determined yet.

Cabinet spokesman Themba Maseko earlier today put the cost at R40 billion at a post-Cabinet briefing.

That figure is just below the R47 billion that had been cited in a previous hearing before Parliament by state arms procurement agency Armscor.

Sisulu added that she hopes the R2.9 billion paid so far would be refunded back to the Department of Defence and not the National Treasury.

She also avered that the termination of the A400M contract would not necessarily impact the industrial offset program in which aircraft parts manufacturer Denel would make components for the still to fly transport.

"The supplier was in serious breach of contract and we need the money desperately for other things within defence," she said.

Sisulu also told Parliament that a standstill agreement had been signed earlier this year after the A400M prototype had failed to fly on schedule in March. The aircraft still has to take to the skies.

"We have looked at the contract and we have determined we have met our obligations and that the failure of the aircraft to fly was in breach of their contract with us," she said.

A European source says Armscor CE Sipho Thomo is in Toulouse, France, at the moment to cancel the deal.

Responding to questions from the politicians, Sisulu said that the SA Air Force had to no "go back to the drawing board to redefine its airlift needs".

Members of Parliament from all the political parties welcomed the decision but expressed the view that the lack of airlift capability would hamper South Africa's participation in peacekeeping missions on the continent.

Democratic Alliance defence shadow minister David Maynier repeated his previous calls for an investigation into how the contract was signed.

"Over so many years, there have been so many questions about this issue. How did we get ourselves into the situation where we signed a contract for an aircraft the Air Force did not want and could not afford?" he asked.

Manyier also asked when government would stop the "bleeding at Denel" after it had injected R673 million into the state-owned enterprise as risk mitigation for the industrial offsets for the Airbus contract.

Denel is supposed to manufacture certain Airbus components and is still busy with the production of them.

Armscor chairperson Popo Molefe said the agency was still studying the A400M contract and, in particular, the formulas as stated in it.

"For instance, we have to examine whether or not the supplier gave warnings about certain milestones not being reached," he said.

Meanwhile, an industry source says a Lockheed Martin sales-team was recently in SA and was overheard to say there was a local requirement for five of the latest C130J variant of the aircraft. SA currently operats eight of the early B-models.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5085&Itemid=350

AMX, lo agrego en español. Saludos.

Airbus se muestra ´sorprendido´ por la anulación del pedido sudafricano del A400M

El consorcio aeronáutico europeo Airbus mostró su "sorpresa" por el anuncio del Gobierno de Sudáfrica de que anulará su pedido de ocho aviones de transporte militar A400M, lo que supondrá la pérdida del primer cliente para este aparato que tiene previsto hacer su vuelo inaugural antes de finales de año.

"Nos ha sorprendido mucho este anuncio porque se produce en un momento en el que el programa está progresando tal y como estaba previsto", afirmó un portavoz de la multinacional europea en la capital francesa. Precisó que el constructor "estudia posibles consecuencias financieras" de esta anulación.

El fabricante aeronáutico recordó que, de confirmarse, la de Sudáfrica sería la primera anulación que sufre el programa.

Según diversas fuentes, el Gobierno de Pretoria, que se había comprometido a adquirir ocho unidades, decidió anular el pedido a causa de los retrasos en el mismo y del incremento de su coste. Sudáfrica y Malasia, éste último con cuatro unidades, son los únicos clientes no europeos que han adquirido estos aparatos.

El A400M, un avión de transporte militar desarrollado por Airbus Military, ha sufrido diversos retrasos, lo que ha llevado a algunos de sus clientes a amenazar con abandonar el programa.

Excesivo aumento de precio

El Gobierno de Sudáfrica anunció la cancelación de la compra de ocho aviones de transporte militar Airbus A400M, debido al retraso en la entrega y el excesivo aumento del precio desde que se firmó el acuerdo hasta ahora.
"La cancelación se debe a gran aumento de los costos y del incumplimiento de los plazos por parte del proveedor para su entrega", dijo hoy, en una rueda de prensa tras la reunión del Gabinete de ministros, el portavoz del Gobierno, Themba Maseko.
De los casi 2.400 millones de dólares (al cambio actual de la divisa sudafricana) que costaban los aviones cuando se firmó el contrato hace cinco años, el precio ha pasado a cerca de 6.400 millones de dólares, "casi el triple", según recalcó Maseko.
El ministro de Defensa sudafricano, Lindiwe Sisulu, ya adelanto hace unos días que si cancelaban el contrato esperan la devolución de los casi 400 millones de dólares ya pagados a Airbus, por entender que el fabricante europeo ha incumplido sus compromisos.
El acuerdo para la compra de los ocho grandes aviones de Airbus lo firmó Sudáfrica en diciembre de 2004 y esta prevista su entrega entre 2010 y 2012.
Según Sisulu, posteriormente se empezó a aumentar el precio y se señaló que el plazo de entrega podría retrasarse "cuatro o cinco años", por lo que el Gobierno de Pretoria "ha revisado el beneficio que tendría para Sudáfrica y sus ciudadanos".
"Nosotros hemos cumplido nuestras obligaciones contractuales, por lo que no tiene porqué haber razones para que no nos devuelvan los 400 millones de dólares pagados", concluyó Sisulu.
 

paulo

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:biggrinjester::biggrinjester::biggrinjester:

Hablan que SAAB, EMBRAER e DENEL son una persona so..... :sifone:
 

paulo

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Hoy apenas algunos meses.....pero dicen que la criança sera prematura.... cosa de 5/ 6 años.... :sifone:
 

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Se não me engano a Embraer deve entregar o primeiro KC-390 para a FAB em 2014.
 

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Soy otro mas que penso en el 390 al leer la nota.
Pregunto,
Que necesidades de transporte tiene hoy Sudáfrica y cuales proyecta?

Que tenían pensado para el futuro como para pedir el A-400M? Misiones humanitarias por Africa? Misiones bajo el mandato de la ONU?
Hoy por hoy la SAAF tiene 9 C-130 modernizados.
Creo que los 390 llegaran a tiempo para reemplazar a los C-130, pero no se duerman a ver si caen los C-130J


Y pensar que el An70 hace 15 años que vuela......
 
De los casi 2.400 millones de dólares (al cambio actual de la divisa sudafricana) que costaban los aviones cuando se firmó el contrato hace cinco años, el precio ha pasado a cerca de 6.400 millones de dólares, "casi el triple", según recalcó Maseko.
como que se le fueron los numeros al Airbus...... veo a lA400 como al programa F35.... terriblemente costoso ... un gasto excesivo ....
sera muy dificil que puedan colocar mas en otro mercado que no sea el Europeo...

El ministro de Defensa sudafricano, Lindiwe Sisulu, ya adelanto hace unos días que si cancelaban el contrato esperan la devolución de los casi 400 millones de dólares ya pagados a Airbus
Ja!!... si .. espera sentado que ya te los devuelven !!:yonofui: :nopity:


Y pensar que el An70 hace 15 años que vuela......
le faltaria un poco de apoyo monetario.... pero sin dudas es un avion formidable... que si hubiera tenido participacion europea hoy la historia seria otra sin dudas...

en que estado esta hoy el proyecto??.. realmente le he perdido el hilo...
 
en EMB-390 me gustaria REABASTECEDOR, como reemplazo de los ORION, carguero ovbiamente, ELINT y AEW para que los operadores esten mas comodos....y uno VIP para el presidente asi puede aterrizar en cualquier aerodromo de provincia para ver a la gente...anontenme 4 mas version cuatrimotor!! nueva ala por favor!
 
AN-70
le faltaria un poco de apoyo monetario.... pero sin dudas es un avion formidable... que si hubiera tenido participacion europea hoy la historia seria otra sin dudas...

en que estado esta hoy el proyecto??.. realmente le he perdido el hilo...

Pienso igual, yo siempre tengo en la cabeza una FAA "oriental", y el an-70 me parece excelente, pero los problemas tecnicos iniciales y los siguientes problemas financieros lo dejaron medio paralizado. Es cierto lo que dice Juanma, el avion esta hace 15 años volando, creo que perdieron una oportunidad gigante, pero no esta todo perdido.

Las noticias son que el proyecto ha renacido... Ucrania esta terminando unas 5 unidades adicionales, y pactó con Rusia relanzar el proyecto, con, tal vez, la participacion de China.

http://www.citylife.donetsk.ua/news/show/an_70_105

Me parece perfecto lo que hizo Sudafrica, creo que no se justifica semejante $.
Saludos.
 
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