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MockUp = Replica de igual tamaño


otra cosa seria un dummy de mismo tamaño y peso , como algunos AM-39 de entrenamiento que hay aca por ejemplo
 

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Sigo buscando info a ver que puede usar el SU-33 ademas de los Kh-31 y Kh-35 y me encontre con esto:







:cool:

Esto es el 3M-51 o Club-A:

• Length: 8.5 meters
• Diameter: ?
• Wing Span: 3.1 meters
• Launch Weight: 2000 kg
• Range: 108n miles (200 km)
• Speed: Mach 2 (Terminal Stage Speed)
• Warhead: 200 kg (High Explosive)
• Guidance: Inertial + Active Radar Homing
• Flight Path: Low Flying

Esto se pone cada vez mas interesante:D

Saludos

PD: Alguien tiene mas info sobre el Club-A o el Moskit?
 

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joseph dijo:
Habria que ver si el Su-33 es capaz de despegar con 2 toneladas.

Club: http://zona-militar.com/foros/showthread.php?t=3126

En teoria desde la posicion central, siempre y cuando desde la misma se opere con plena capacidad interna de combustible (9300kg) mas la combinacion de 2 R-27EM + 2 R-73M2 (930kg), si reducimos la carga de combustible podria despegar tranquilamente desde esta posicion. Es "jugar" con el peso de combustible vs armas.

Saludos
 
Con una buena cantidad de SU-33 y tankeros, no tenes que adquirir un PA, que como minimo tendrian que ser 2 PA para crear 2 GT que puedan ser usados estrategicamente.
 
HOla SuE,

Me podrias decir donde conseguiste esa informacion tan interesante acerca de los pesos y distancias de despegue de los Flankers marineros? Hace años ando detras de esos datillos !

Saludos.
 

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Pánzon dijo:
HOla SuE,

Me podrias decir donde conseguiste esa informacion tan interesante acerca de los pesos y distancias de despegue de los Flankers marineros? Hace años ando detras de esos datillos !

Saludos.



El libro esta en ruso, pero yo accedia a unos comentarios del libro sobre el tema (los cuales sito de memoria:D ) dando esos datos, teniendo en cuenta que los "slots" de lanzamientos 1 y 2 le dan 105m y el 3 unos 180m al Flanker-D.
Pero repito, es lo que recuerdo y me puedo equivocar, habria que ver si Marcos puede aportar algo al respecto (y dejar por un momentos esos feos SU-30MK2:eek: )

Saludos
 

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SuperEtendard dijo:
En teoria desde la posicion central, siempre y cuando desde la misma se opere con plena capacidad interna de combustible (9300kg) mas la combinacion de 2 R-27EM + 2 R-73M2 (930kg), si reducimos la carga de combustible podria despegar tranquilamente desde esta posicion. Es "jugar" con el peso de combustible vs armas.

Saludos

Lo bueno del Club 3M-54TE y 3M-54TE1 es que tienen 220 km y 275 km de alcance en esas versiones respectivamente por lo que la falta de combustible en el avion se compensada con el rango del misil en parte. Además hay que ver que las versiones aereas son mucho más ligeras por carecer del lanzador inicial. Tal vez la version TE1 pueda llegar a pesar solo 1300 kg y no se pierda tanto del combustible.
 
SuperEtendard dijo:
PD: Alguien tiene mas info sobre el Club-A o el Moskit?

SuperEtendard dijo:
PD: Alguien tiene mas info sobre el Club-A o el Moskit?

Х-41 / П-270 "Mosquito" (3М-80; SSN-22 «Sunburn»)
Supersonic protivokorabelnaya a cruise missile
Development protivokorabelnoj rockets "Mosquito" 3М-80 has been begun in MKB "Rainbow" in 1973 under direction of main designer I.S.Selezneva.
It is supersonic nizkovysotnaya a self-directed cruise missile. It(she) concerns to a class easy(light) protivokorabelnykh rockets and intended for replacement KR П-15. "Mosquito" - a unique rocket in the world which speed of flight at small heights exceeds two moves. In work above a rocket it is applied more than thirty inventions and discoveries. For example, in "Mosquitoes" for the first time the direct-flow mid-flight engine of a rocket is combined with starting like a nested doll.
The control system of a rocket is created in gosnpo "Altair" under direction of S.Klimova. For its(her) working off the flying laboratory on the basis of Бе-12 was used.
Originally the rocket was developed in a ship variant for arms of destroyers, rocket boats and ekranoplanov. In 1984 the ship variant of "Mosquito" 3М-80Е has been accepted pa arms on destroyers of type "Modern" (the project 956). On a destroyer pr. 956 it has been established(installed) on two schetverennye launchers КТ-190. Works above an aviation variant of "Mosquito" were tightened(delayed), and it(he) has been accepted on arms between 1992 and 1994
The cruise missile 3М-80 is a part of rocket complexes which are intended for defeat of the surface ships and transports by displacement up to 20000 tons from structure of ship shock groupings, landing connections, escorts and the single ships as vodoizmeshchennykh, and on underwater wings and an air pillow in conditions of modern both perspective means ognevogo and radio-electronic counteraction of the opponent. Thus the rocket is steady against destroying action of nuclear explosion.
The rocket 3М-80 is constructed under the normal aerodynamic scheme(plan) with Õ-shaped accommodation of aerodynamic surfaces. Impellent installation combined, consists from mid-flight direct-flow propulsion jet tverdotoplivnogo the engine and the starting powder engine. And startovik it is inserted in soplo the mid-flight engine. Through 3-4 with after start the powder engine burns down and is pushed out from sopla nabegayushchim by a stream of air. The direct-flow engine has been developed in ОКБ-670 main designer M.M.Bondaryuka, and then finished in MKB "Union" in Turaevo.
The combined control system in structure of inertial navigating system and a is active-passive radar-tracking head of homing provides high probability of hit in the purpose even in conditions of radiocounteraction of the opponent. For the purposes of type of group of boats or a ship striking force this probability is equal 0,99; for escorts and landing connections - 0,94.
After start the rocket does(makes) "hill", and then decreases to mid-flight height of flight about 20 m, at the approach to the purpose there is a decrease(reduction) to 7 m (above a crest of waves). The rocket can make intensive protivozenitnye maneuvers with the overloads exceeding 10 g.
From "Mosquito" it is impossible to evade. The opponent will notice a rocket of all 3-4 seconds prior to a meeting with a board of own ship. Due to huge kinetic energy "Mosquito" punches the case of any ship and blows up inside. Such impact is capable to sink not only the ship of middle class, but also a cruiser. And 15-17 "Mosquitoes" - the whole ship group. By estimations of some domestic and foreign experts, "Mosquito" is the best protivokorabelnoj a rocket in the world.
Length of a rocket of 9,385 m, scope of the combined wings of 1,3 m opened - 2,1 m. Starting weight of a rocket of 3950 kg. Weight of a demolition fighting part of 300 kg, from them of 150 kg of powerful explosive. Range of shooting from 10 up to 120 km. Mid-flight speed М=2,4.
Except for EM pr. 956 and BPK pr. 11551 "Admiral Chabanenko", rockets "Mosquito" have received boats pr. 12411. On boats of this project it is established(installed) pobortno in an average part of a boat on two coupled PU type КТ-152М. By the skilled small rocket ship pr. 1239 (on an air pillow skegovogo type) two schetverennye have established(installed) not rotary installations. Besides "mosquito" has been established(installed) on ekranoplane "Lun", it(he) can be applied in parts of coastal defense and in sea aircraft.
The modified rocket with the increased range of flight has a designation 3М-80Е. Their release is mastered on Arsenevskoj aviation company " Progress " by it(him). N.I.Sazykina.
The complex was repeatedly shown on air shows to Chile, Abu-Dhabis (United Arab Emirates) and in situated near Moscow ZHukovskom (MAKS). Now it(he) is resolved on export and to China are delivered EM, armed by this complex.
The aviation variant 3М-80 - Х-41 as a rocket "air-ship" is intended for application from deck fighter Су-33 (Су-27К) and , probably, bomber Су-32ФН. By ship plane Su-27K (Су-33) under a fuselage between motor-gondolas one rocket 3М80 can be placed. However, the question with prompting PKR at start-up from these carriers(bearers) is not solved yet.

The description
The developer MKB "Rainbow"
The manufacturer ON "Progress" (Arsenyev)
Designation "Mosquito" (3М-80)
Variants П-270 "Mosquito" Х-41
Designation NATO SSN-22 «Sunburn»
Type GSN Inertial + radar-tracking is active(actively)-passive
Geometrical and mass characteristics
Length, m 9,385
Scope of a wing, m 2,1
Diameter of the case, m 0,76
Diameter of a rocket with the combined wings, m 1,3
Period of storage in boegotovom a condition on the carrier(bearer), years 1,5
Starting weight, kg 3М-80 3950
3М-80Е 4150-4500
Type of a warhead Getting
Weight BCH, kg 300 (320)
Weight of explosive, kg 150
Power-plant
The developer MKB "Union" (Turaevo)
The engine PVRD 3Д83
Speed of start, M 1.8-2.5
Time of start, with 0.5
Operating time, with 250
Letnye data
Speed, km/h (M =) Cruiser (2,35)
Maximal (2,8)
Range of start-up, km 3М-80 10-90 250
3М-80Е 120
Height of flight, m 7-20
Speed of flight of the carrier(bearer), m/c 200-470
Height of start-up, km Up to 12
poslestartovyj a turn +/-60 o
Temperature of application, oC + /-60
Time of start-up of 4 rockets in a volley, with 15
Rate of shooting at zalpovom start-up, with 5



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Club-A

The antiship missile of eM-shchy the rocket of eMshchy "alpha" is intended for the destruction of the surface ships of all types under the conditions for strong radio-electronic and fire opposition, it can be placed on the combat surface ships, the submarines and the aircraft. Developer - BAR "innovator" of g.Ekaterinburg. It is for the first time demonstrated on the exhibition of armaments in Abu- Dabit in 1993 and in the same year on MAX -93 in Zhukovskiy. In the West the rocket obtained designation Ss- n -27 "Klub" ("Club").
Composition
The ship version of rocket has three steps. Booster stage ensures start and acceleration of the rocket (on the aviation version of rocket this step it is absent), it is supplied with the solid-propellant single-chamber rocket engine, analogous to the engine of the cruise missile of "grenades". The second step of ePshchy - march - ensures flight in the basic trajectory phase. Second-stage engine - turbojet TRDD - TURBOFAN ENGINE OF R9SHCH-E00(RDK-E00), is developed in KB "Soyuz". The third step of ePshch2 - combat - serves for the overcoming at supersonic speed (to M=e) of the air defense system of enemy.
The ship version of rocket can be started from the launchers of vertical or inclined performance.
After starting and gain of altitude on the order of 150 it is meter it occurs the department of the booster, the discovery air duct and the starting of sustainer jet second-stage engine, disclosure it is wing and rocket is descended to height 10-15 it is meter above the surface of sea. In the midcourse the rocket dvizhetsya with the transonic speed under control of inertial system. On the distance of approximately 30-40 km from the purpose the rocket makes "hill" and occurs the start of active radar homing head. (ARGS -54). After the target lock-on by self-homing head the rocket is accelerated with the aid of the solid-propellant accelerator to supersonic speed and is descended to height 3-5 it is meter. Directly special zigzag rocket evasion maneuver is carried out before the purpose.
For decreasing the probability of the interception of rocket by the air defense weapons of purpose, onboard system for control of rocket can select the optimum route of output aboard the attacked ship. Furthermore, with the attack of large surface targets can be achieved the salvo launch of several rockets, which will leave to the purpose from the different directions.
Self-homing head ARGS - 54 is developed by firm "radar -MMS" Saint Petersburg and has maximum range near '0km. length ARGS-SHCHYA - "0sm, diameter - ya2sm and weight - ya0kg. possesses high noise protection and it can function with the agitation of the sea of 5-6 marks.
The export variant of a rocket "Alpha" of ship basing has a designation 3î54Ø. 3î54Ø and their updatings submarines of a class "Cupid" and the frigates which are under construction under the order of Naval Forces of India arm with rockets.

ТТХ Range of action, km 200-250
Speeds of flight, km/s mid-flight 220-240 (0.7-0.9î) on a final site 700 (2-3î)
Number of steps an aviation variant 2 ship variant 3
Lengths of a rocket, mm an aviation variant 7000-7300 ship variant of the case of a rocket of 8220-8500
Maximal diameters, mm 533
Wingspans, mm of 3000-3300
Starting weights, kg of a fighting part of 2000
Weights, kg 200

 

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joseph dijo:
Lo bueno del Club 3M-54TE y 3M-54TE1 es que tienen 220 km y 275 km de alcance en esas versiones respectivamente por lo que la falta de combustible en el avion se compensada con el rango del misil en parte. Además hay que ver que las versiones aereas son mucho más ligeras por carecer del lanzador inicial. Tal vez la version TE1 pueda llegar a pesar solo 1300 kg y no se pierda tanto del combustible.

Por lo que tengo entendido el Club-A pesaria unos 2.000kg al lanzamiento y tendria un alcance de 200km, pero estaba en "pruebas" no se si es operativo actualmente.
Perdon por expresarme mal pero cuando pedi mas info sobre el Moskit y el Club-A era con respecto a su empleo en el SU-33 Flanker-D.
En cuanto a futuras versiones del Flanker-D no seria raro que se desarrolle un SU-35K Super Flanker-D :cool:

Saludos
 
SuperEtendard dijo:
Perdon por expresarme mal pero cuando pedi mas info sobre el Moskit y el Club-A era con respecto a su empleo en el SU-33 Flanker-D.

Se les pone en el rack central y listo.

SuperEtendard dijo:
En cuanto a futuras versiones del Flanker-D no seria raro que se desarrolle un SU-35K Super Flanker-D :cool:

No esta ya el SU-33M?
 

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Kilua dijo:
Tambien tenes el 3М54Э1





Aunque no es para aviones

Ese es un Club-N, justamente el Club-A es la version de lanzamiento aereo. En cuento a este y el Moskit por lo que lei no es tan simple el asunto. Aparentemente el Moskit no es operativo en el SU-33 y el Club-A es un "proyecto", es decir, que tampoco seria operativo al dia de hoy.

Saludos
 
SuperEtendard dijo:
Aparentemente el Moskit no es operativo en el SU-33 y el Club-A es un "proyecto", es decir, que tampoco seria operativo al dia de hoy.

Con respecto al Kh-41 al parecer si lo sería, o sea es probable que se lo haya probado en el SU-33, habría que ir a un foro ruso y preguntar.
 

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Por lo que tengo entendido el Club-A pesaria unos 2.000kg al lanzamiento y tendria un alcance de 200km, pero estaba en "pruebas" no se si es operativo actualmente.

La version aerea del Club oficialmente no he oido nada pero se sabe que lo estaban haciendo; o sea ya hicieron una version submarina y una version aerea no parece ser entonces tan complicado.
 

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Siguiendo con el tema este es el Kuznetsov:



En este dibujo se aprecian las posiciones de lanzamiento del SU-33.

El tema del alcance tambien se puede solucionar de esta manera:



Saludos
 
Ese plano muestra a los Yak-141, si no los siguieron desarrollando habra sido que el SU-33 era bastante bueno.

Con respecto al alcance, no es un problema para un SU-33 basado en tierra, y si le pones misiles R-27RT, R-27ET para una intercepcion silenciosa con EOS a 70km y misiles anti-buque de largo alcance me parece la mejor opcion para la Armada. Despues tendrían que adquirir S-3 o algo parecido y algun AWACS.
 
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cuando el YAK-141 se estaba desarrollando..vino Perestroika y congelo todo...al final se termino exportando la patente del sistema a la Lockheed por 500 mil dolares..
 
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