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Malvinas 1982
El Ataque al Portaaviones HMS Invencible
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<blockquote data-quote="GazzaLDN" data-source="post: 1185865" data-attributes="member: 14998"><p>PagoPorà,</p><p> </p><p>Its is no less brave to have attacked a Type 21 Frigate than an Aircraft Carrier. It also requires the same skill and determination. Especially when you see two colleagues shot down. </p><p> </p><p>The targeting of Exocet attacks were done by radar when the SUE popped up and selected the biggest target on their radar. The four A4 pilots were not involved in this targeting and followed the missile in. </p><p> </p><p>Rather than rationally examine what happened, those who claim HMS Invincible was sunk, build fantastic conspiracy theories and revert to emotional and nationalistic arguments. </p><p> </p><p>Your idea that there is a disinformation campaign "from the other side" is silly. There is next to no interest in UK about this conspiracy theory.</p><p> </p><p>One factor this conspiracy theory misses, is that if HMS Invincible had been hit or sunk by an exocet, it would have been a winning argument of the Royal Navy to get the Large Aircraft Carrier that they had been battling to get built for 20 years at that stage, a battle that took another 30 years and the two new carriers are still under funding cut threats.</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Su</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">no</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">menos valientes</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">que han atacado a</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">un tipo de</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">21</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Fragata</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">de</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">un portaaviones.</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">También se requiere</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">la misma habilidad y</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">determinación.</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Especialmente cuando</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">usted ve a dos</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">colegas</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">derribado.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">El</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">objetivo</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">de los ataques de</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Exocet</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">fueron hechas</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">por el radar</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">cuando el</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">SUE</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">apareció</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">y seleccionado</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">el blanco más grande</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">en su radar.</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Los cuatro</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">pilotos de</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">A4</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">no estaban involucrados en</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">esta orientación</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">y siguió</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">el misil</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">pulgadas</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">En vez de</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">racionalmente</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">examinar lo que sucedió</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">,</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">los que dicen</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">HMS Invincible</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">fue hundido</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">, construir</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">teorías fantásticas</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">de conspiración</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">y volver</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">a los argumentos</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">emocionales</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">y nacionalistas</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Su</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">idea de que hay</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">una campaña de desinformación</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">"</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">desde el otro lado</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">"</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">es una tontería.</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">No hay</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">casi nada de</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">interés en el</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Reino Unido</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">acerca de esta</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">teoría de la conspiración</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">Un factor que</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">esta</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">teoría de la conspiración</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">se pierde</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">,</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">es que si</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">HMS Invincible</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">había sido</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">golpeado o</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">hundido por</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">un Exocet</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">,</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">que habría sido</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">un argumento</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">ganador</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">de la Royal Navy</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">para obtener el</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">portaaviones</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">de gran tamaño que</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">habían</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">estado luchando</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">para conseguir</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">construida</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">durante 20 años en</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">esa etapa</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">,</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">una batalla que tuvo</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">otros 30 años</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">y las dos</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">nuevas compañías aéreas</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">están todavía</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">bajo la amenaza</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">de corte</span></span> <span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">de financiación</span></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><span style="font-family: 'arial'">.</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GazzaLDN, post: 1185865, member: 14998"] PagoPorà, Its is no less brave to have attacked a Type 21 Frigate than an Aircraft Carrier. It also requires the same skill and determination. Especially when you see two colleagues shot down. The targeting of Exocet attacks were done by radar when the SUE popped up and selected the biggest target on their radar. The four A4 pilots were not involved in this targeting and followed the missile in. Rather than rationally examine what happened, those who claim HMS Invincible was sunk, build fantastic conspiracy theories and revert to emotional and nationalistic arguments. Your idea that there is a disinformation campaign "from the other side" is silly. There is next to no interest in UK about this conspiracy theory. One factor this conspiracy theory misses, is that if HMS Invincible had been hit or sunk by an exocet, it would have been a winning argument of the Royal Navy to get the Large Aircraft Carrier that they had been battling to get built for 20 years at that stage, a battle that took another 30 years and the two new carriers are still under funding cut threats. [COLOR=#ff0000][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]Su[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]no[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]menos valientes[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]que han atacado a[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]un tipo de[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]21[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]Fragata[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]de[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]un portaaviones.[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]También se requiere[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]la misma habilidad y[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]determinación.[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]Especialmente cuando[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]usted ve a dos[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]colegas[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]derribado.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]El[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]objetivo[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]de los ataques de[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]Exocet[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]fueron hechas[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]por el radar[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]cuando el[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]SUE[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]apareció[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]y seleccionado[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]el blanco más grande[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]en su radar.[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]Los cuatro[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]pilotos de[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]A4[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]no estaban involucrados en[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]esta orientación[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]y siguió[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]el misil[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]pulgadas[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]En vez de[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]racionalmente[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]examinar lo que sucedió[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial],[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]los que dicen[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]HMS Invincible[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]fue hundido[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial], construir[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]teorías fantásticas[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]de conspiración[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]y volver[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]a los argumentos[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]emocionales[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]y nacionalistas[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial].[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]Su[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]idea de que hay[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]una campaña de desinformación[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]"[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]desde el otro lado[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]"[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]es una tontería.[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]No hay[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]casi nada de[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]interés en el[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]Reino Unido[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]acerca de esta[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]teoría de la conspiración[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial].[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]Un factor que[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]esta[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]teoría de la conspiración[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]se pierde[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial],[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]es que si[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]HMS Invincible[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]había sido[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]golpeado o[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]hundido por[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]un Exocet[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial],[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]que habría sido[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]un argumento[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]ganador[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]de la Royal Navy[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]para obtener el[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]portaaviones[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]de gran tamaño que[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]habían[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]estado luchando[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]para conseguir[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]construida[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]durante 20 años en[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]esa etapa[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial],[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]una batalla que tuvo[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]otros 30 años[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]y las dos[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]nuevas compañías aéreas[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]están todavía[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]bajo la amenaza[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]de corte[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial] [/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial]de financiación[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=16px][FONT=arial].[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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